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Quote: You are delusional. Delusional about the fact XJT was on the right track before being purchased. Delusional about the fact that XJT isn't losing millions and its just an accounting trick by Inc.

What the rest of us know as fact, is that you L-XJT guys are little *****es. You want to mope around and blame everyone else but yourselves for poor performance, then and now. All you do is gimme, gimme, gimme. I want, I want, I want. Fact of the matter is, L-ASA is ready to play ball and you aren't. You and your pals are going to be the ones left on the outside looking in.
Hahahahahhahahhahahahahahaha.
Quote: And let's not forget these industry outliers, which are the true reason XE is losing money:

Industry leading 50 seat RJ rates
Company paid defined contribution retirement plans
90% company paid PPO health insurance
Company paid On the Job Injury (OJI) bank
Line Bidding with vacation touch/drop
Inability of the company to contact on-duty crew members for rescheduling except in person
No operational flexibility
Angry labor groups, unwilling to perform above minimum requirements of contracts.

This is not a union vs union pi$$ing contest. This is a very real merger failure because of diametrically opposed cultures clashing in a vacuum of leadership.

So yes, it's time for the ACQUIRED (not hired) carrier to get on board or get parked. The SKW BOD has clearly run out of patience. They are not going to let the angry money losing side sink the profitable and willing side.
Man I really don't understand your thoughts? Do you really want to see your fellow pilots make less? Do you have SKW stock that's at risk? Delta is probably saving tons of money after buying Pinnacle and forcing a corrective contract. Do the Endeavor pilots pat themselves on the back that they did what it took to help Delta be more profitable. They go home proud that they work for a profitable company and helped pay for the effort?
Quote: Nevets and others try to blame all of this on some grand conspiracy of SkyWest Inc. to purposely make XJT unprofitable. That simply isn't true.

The fact is, LXJT pilots are living in a bubble from the past. They think this is still the world when they were CAL's exclusive feed and had a 10 percent cost plus CPA as the exclusive feed. In addition, CAL Exp. and later XJT, never experienced the whipsaw that Delta and United have been using for decades. The DCI and United Express battlefield are littered with corpses of dead regionals or regionals that rebranded after Delta and United got done with them. WestAir, AirWisc, Comair, ACA, etc.

These aren't "little trivial" differences. There is a huge cultural difference between the two carriers. There are huge differences in expectations. And then there is the very real difference pertaining to scheduling methods.

After four years, not only haven't those differences been narrowed, they have actually grown. It is time to move on. As Nevets says, everyone needs a plan B. The ASA side is executing their plan B. That is protecting the interests of their pilots.
No way man, its pretty basic. The express jet pilots want to take a pay cut about as much as you wanna pay extra taxes to help the government out of debt. Its pretty basic math, no one wants their boss coming to them and asking for them to work for less.
Quote: No way man, its pretty basic. The express jet pilots want to take a pay cut about as much as you wanna pay extra taxes to help the government out of debt. Its pretty basic math, no one wants their boss coming to them and asking for them to work for less.
They no longer want you to work for less. They are just going to have you not work or get paid any longer. Kills two birds with one stone.

If the draw down of aircraft is equal to attrition, then everyone is happy. If the draw down forces furloughs you can always go to Mesa, and making even less than what the company originally offered.
And your crystal ball told you these jets wouldn't be parked anyways?
I bet it also said Eagle would be shutdown if they didn't vote yes, and Pinnacle would be liquidated of they didn't vote yes, or the judge would have imposed a worse deal for even longer than 10 years. Pilots suffer form THEIR own decisions much more than form the hands of a company. If you are truly worried about INC's bottom line why havent you spearheaded a movement for your group to take a paycut. A dollar is a dollar no mattter where it comes from.
Quote: And your crystal ball told you these jets wouldn't be parked anyways?
I bet it also said Eagle would be shutdown if they didn't vote yes, and Pinnacle would be liquidated of they didn't vote yes, or the judge would have imposed a worse deal for even longer than 10 years. Pilots suffer form THEIR own decisions much more than form the hands of a company. If you are truly worried about INC's bottom line why havent you spearheaded a movement for your group to take a paycut. A dollar is a dollar no mattter where it comes from.
There will be less ERJ 50s, that was inevitable, but there will still be demand for most of them coming off contract. Someone will fly them, it just wont be XE pilots.
You guys need to all chill. The biggest hold up I have heard is the PBS system. That's it.
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You guys need to all chill. The biggest hold up I have heard is the PBS system. That's it.
I still don't understand this battle between MECs I'm on LXJT side and I would be alright trying a beta of smart pref and flight line side by side and see their results at the end of a bid. Obviously allow LASA pilots to do the same. Definitely allow the pilots to make the choice not our MECs. FL or smartpref does not matter not like our hard lines have been worth a crap anyway. Might as well allow us to get a glimpse of both no? Time to lift these walls and get moving to building a better QOL for all of us I think.
Quote: There will be less ERJ 50s, that was inevitable, but there will still be demand for most of them coming off contract. Someone will fly them, it just wont be XE pilots.
From United’s Q2 earning call
The company introduced seven highly efficient Embraer 175 aircraft to the United Express fleet. The modern and spacious 76-seat aircraft is the newest addition to the United Express fleet, enabling the airline to offer an improved regional jet experience. These aircraft will largely replace less-efficient 50-seat regional jets, and the company expects to reduce its 50-seat regional jet fleet by 38 aircraft by the end of the year.
Costs associated with permanently grounding Embraer ERJ 135 aircraft $66 (in Millions)
United announced 70 E-175 since SKY bought Express jet. They are clearly not advertised as new capacity for the company.

SkyWest could have guaranteed ExpressJet some of the 40 orders for their concessions, nope. If your make less, well make more.

The Compass deal with American has proven ExpressJet is out of line on the revenue side much more disproportional than the overhead side.
United will not be able to rebid the 50 seaters for anything close to the SkyWest deal.
You are right though SkyWest would love to rebid their expiring contracts for more money while using the threat of parking them to lower their pilot cost. It’s a win on both sides of the balance sheet, once again the pilot will be flying the same plane he was yesterday making less while the company makes more.
Quote: And let's not forget these industry outliers, which are the true reason XE is losing money
The true reason XE is losing money is due to unprofitable CPA's that were driven directly by SkyWest Inc. during their first buyout attempt. This is readily admitted by top SkyWest executives on their Q2 earnings call. Perhaps you should listen to that.

Quote: Industry leading 50 seat RJ rates
Company paid defined contribution retirement plans
90% company paid PPO health insurance
Company paid On the Job Injury (OJI) bank
Line Bidding with vacation touch/drop
You forgot LTD.

That out of the way, isn't the list above one that any union negotiator would strive for? Especially when the company readily acknowledges that revenue, not costs, are the problem? Who exactly are you negotiating for - labor or management?

Quote: This is not a union vs union pi$$ing contest. This is a very real merger failure because of diametrically opposed cultures clashing in a vacuum of leadership.

So yes, it's time for the ACQUIRED (not hired) carrier to get on board or get parked. The SKW BOD has clearly run out of patience. They are not going to let the angry money losing side sink the profitable and willing side.
Please point to factual information detailing that the SKW BOD has "clearly run out of patience." Don't waste our time with #'s of A/C being parked; that was known info before the failed JCBA came out. Perhaps you should take a look at the static fleet plan while you are listening to the SKW Q2 earnings call you clearly missed. You'll notice CRJ's get parked at the same relative rate as ERJ's.

Just because you want something to happen and spew it all across the internet doesn't make it reality. The fact that you clearly hope a fellow union carrier would be shut down and fellow union brothers and sisters would lose their jobs speaks volumes to your character.
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