Those are great questions. Why ask the APC crowd? Why not get those answers directly from our union while the vote is open? Really.

I'm sure we would all appreciate answers to the great questions you have come up with from someone with the authority and knowledge to answer them instead of just question after question on APC which, although probably not your intent, can come across as your way of saying "the MEC doesn't know what it's doing".

If you haven't figured it out, as a recalled Block Rep, TonyC's "questions" are all rhetorical - creating opportunities for himself to bloviate on a wide variety of subjects (mostly in an effort to undermine the MEC and Negotiating Committee)

I wasn't asking the APC crowd those particular questions so much as engaging in the conversation about the topic -- standbys. I will seek answers in the venues provided, but I don't want to have to hog the microphone. I'd rather somebody else ask the same questions. If someone other than me asks, they're more likely to receive answers. See the above post as an example of how someone wants to think they know my intentions so they ignore me.


Rather than add something of value to the discussion, attack the speaker.

Right, AFW_MD11?







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It does give an example. But wait, you just said you don't like examples. You really can't get over being recalled, can you?

Tony, you agreed that the company could implement a single bid pack and pay everyone 75 pay unless they touched a 76 under our current CBA. That is why we wouldn't be able to litigate if the LOA failed.

The standby subject is a topic that should be considered. Which is why I said the 757 would be good for QOL and standby lines.

The company will play games, it's what they do.

Field Standby's are only created for an actual spare aircraft that is intended to be "manned", we should know what the GOC scheduled aircraft type is and the pairings should be put in the bid pack for the type. If they "claim" a standby, in say IND, is a 757 yet every time they launch the crew it is on a 767 then I would suspect there will be some discussion about that.

As for base airport standby's that is a bit more fuzzy, since in a place like MEM they are used for more than just manning a spare jet. It is a good question to ask and the NC to answer. What bid pack open time will they show up in, for make-up ? For reserve assignment will they all be NB, except of course when a WB reserve gets one? Needs clarification, but we all know that not every single scenario is outlined in a CBA or LOA otherwise you would never see a stopping point to actually cement a deal.

The Example says "the pilot is paid". If the Example broke it down like Timeoff2fish did, it would be "more clear" -- which 4A2B said it could not be.

I'm not the only one who doesn't like "Intent language." Most pilots polled and surveyed rank getting rid of intent language very high on their list of improvements they would like to see in our CBA.

I got over being recalled a long time ago. Apparently you haven't.


I agree.


So, explain to me why the MEC Chairman and Council 22 Officers have told us that litigation would be probable.






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I take it you've never sat Standby when there was no airplane on the ramp. 95% of the Field Airport Standbys I've done in the last 2 years had no airplane on the ramp. When I requested to be released 15 minutes early (to get on the jumpseat) I was always refused because I might need to go to the passenger terminal to take a commercial deadhead to somewhere to fly an airplane.

If I was doing that for the B-757 but there was no B-757 sitting on the ramp, how could I verify that the Standby period was actually for the B-757?




I think it's fuzzy in the field or at the base, which makes me wonder why it was addressed in the video at all, given that it is NOT addressed in the LOA. I don't think the subject is so far off in the weeds that it cannot be addressed with explicit contractual language. What we have at this point is worse that intent language -- it's a video with one person's thoughts about how it should be done. I can easily see a grievance and another set of scales in our future.






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You can deny it all you want, but your actions scream a different story.