Do you think they will take my 500 hours at a 121 Grand Canyon operator into account......I am half laughing but half serious.

I honestly don't know. Right now it's a dog and pony show. Prior 121 or military, four year degree or BETTER, Africa mission work, Nobel peace prize, etc seems to be the minimums. I'm sure that eventually us knuckle dragging 91k types will be 'qualified' but behind how many seniority numbers?

Yep. It's nothing short of pathetic. Historically mainline, career carriers have short-changed new hire pilots and have replaced reasonable first year pay with promises of a rosey career and untold riches soon to follow.

This being said, I'm not sure exactly WHAT Frontier is offering to offset its lower than average first year pay.

Honestly, all I can come up with as an offset is the possibility of a relatively quick upgrade. Kinda reminds me of when I first hired on at Mesa in 1999. I was offered captain on the 1900 when I had 60 hours in the plane as an FO and less than 200 hours total multi-engine time.

I flew with a new hire the other day who had run all the upgrade numbers. By his math, he thought he may upgrade right around the 2 year mark. I think that's probably a bit optimistic, but probably not by much.

When I was at the WAI conference I spoke to your recruiters, they seemed a little panicked about supply. They told me only 300 apps on file and about 150 of those met the minimums. They are trying to come up with solutions to attract people but apparently hitting a bit of a brick wall with new management. They said they might be able to cook up some kind of sign on bonus.

Cook up some kind of signing bonus? Was this what a recruiter said? And were they talking about you or were they saying this is something they think they will have to do to attract candidates in the future?

Nothing official obviously and they were just voicing their opinions, but they see the writing on the wall. Something will have to be done.

Here is my solution bump everyone up 1 year pay and start new hires at yr 2 pay. I am sure F9 would have lots of great pilots to choose from!

That seems like a high price to pay for an already experienced Netjets pilot to have a 'chance' of getting on. But as we all know, these carriers can make pilots jump through any hoops they want for the time being.

I was hired APR 14 and my W-2 was only 24k for that year. I think 38 is very generous as you will barely fly above min guaranteed.

I can't disagree.

I find it hard to believe they only have 150 qualified apps. Surprising for sure. Anyone getting calls without a job fair these days?