Good for you! You deserve it all.

Comparing FO scenarios at NJA to FO scenarios at wherever you are at year 7 pay vs newhire pay where you are vs. a PIC at NJA.... my head is swimming in the variables and there are far too many comparative points to make.

Let me make it simple.

Stay. Or go.

But don't do it like Jetlife and poor mouth everyone behind you as you go taking cheap shots on the way.

For the last 13 of 15 years most of 121 didn't do spit for any of us. That's the cycle. It will continue. Choose wisely and embrace your path. NetJets has been a stable employer that has provided reliable income and benefits through most of the 121 storm. For many, pursuing 121 would be silly having secured a PIC position.

And don't be an *******. Many pilots want to wish him well and feel well for him as he's leaving but statements that are condescending towards those remaining and happy are about as welcomed as tits on a boar.

Jetlife missed that subtle nuance enough to where on his way out the door a few people clapped. He's been smug, sarcastic, rude and he really a cocky man on his way out. Those characteristics just rub people wrong in any professional setting.

Regarding growth... it's coming. The aircraft orders will come too in time. The management team is making some real smart choices, the Union is in sync, the sales are there. Once fleet replacement gets down the road a bit and the sims are in place, pilots ranks will increase again to accommodate sales as the successive frames join the company.

Regarding compensation and retirement, those will enhance at NJA too. It's a young company in comparison to 121. Each contract gains more (despite Jetlife's poor math). Each contract shows gains in many areas consistent with professional aviation career options... but comparing 3 contracts with Delta's 50 is a bit short sighted, especially because Delta pay has not yet restored to ore 9/11 values. We bargain each round and gain based on a growth and profitability.

Basically... NJA is going to grow and the next round should be quite lucrative for all is my feeling.

Believe it. Don't believe it. Either way, NJA is trending up since 9/11. 121 has failed to recover even today to pre 9/11 levels.

UAL 747 pay was $404 per hour in CBA 2000. Today? Nope.








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Yea again you don't have your pulse on the industry. We're upgrading 47 captains this year, and we are a quarter of the size. I'll have more FOs below me THIS YEAR than everyone hired post furlough at NJA will have at year 4 seniority.

Enjoy retiring at 90 on the bottom of the Latitude list.

And there's that Jetlife charm that has you so well known.

The last points tell it all.

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To any young pilots out there looking for examples of "how to do it right"... this isn't it.

There's a reason why only Virgin called. Maybe a Delta next year.

Although they hire for attitude as well.




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my point to you is you have to be a bit more realistic, because at this point most of what you say doesn't come across as believable because of the apparen "blinders".

Like the past 15 years....

NJA----5 yrs of furloughs and no real upgrades since roughly 2005

Legacy carriers-----depending on the airline, 5 years of furloughs but increasing pay and massive upgrade opportunities.

I have friends that were hired by Cont. In 2006 or Delta in 2008. So those carriers were certainly hiring. As well as my carrier by 2008. My firends are Captains at their Legacies, while I was furlough and forced to change directions at NJA.

NJA may grow like you say. But until they make a large a/c order or announce large hiring plans. OR UNTIL THEY START UPGRADING appreciable numbers for a long duration. What we are left with are the facts at hand. Jeylife may be very vocal over there, but some of his points are very valid.

You have discredited yourself at times. Even with Jetlife and the JFK base, trans- con commute etc etc..

I warned him about some of the pitfalls of NJA when he was applying. But like most of the Ameriflight guys I know, he thought he knew everything. But that doesnt necessarily make him wrong about some of the NJA stuff.

I'll say it again. NJA is a good company. It works well for alot of people. But someone looking at NJA vs. A Legacy should know the facts.

I've been cocky as I've left? Hardly. You take every opportunity during various discussions regarding something that isn't overtly flattering about NetJets and you battle them with condescending responses. You aren't happy for anyone, you really aren't. Rather, you are bitter because you lost out on the opportunity. You've said it yourself many times that Kit Darby lied to you. You are somebody who had a taste, lost it, and never got it back. That isn't my fault, and it doesn't automatically make NetJets great so stop making everyone pay the price for your suffering. I don't think I'm better than you or anyone else, I've said that many times. But you take company criticism personally and immaturely, that's been evidenced on APC and the union board a million times.

As for pay, you're criticizing UAL because pay isn't back to where it was in 2000, in 2000 NJA was making 28k, so that somehow makes NJA better for the arguement because it's gone up yet it still isn't close to comparable pay scales at the legacies, give me a break, you're the only one that operates in that reality.

The view with 2017 seniority is very different than 15-20 years ago.

But isn't that the case everywhere? Things can change in an instant.


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What was the line about describing those at NJA as "beat by the industry".

Please. Illuminate for us again how that works Mr. Humble.


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Scroll through the last couple of pages, I have dumbed down to your level to even the playing field, you jab me I am gonna jab you right back.

You have no idea who called or didn't, but you are still at NetJets which signifies that nobody called you, that much we do know, blame Kit Darby right?

I have an excellent attitude, I am not bitter nor am I bitter while flying. Again you judge based on a merry go round that you threw us both into. Me arguing against your unfounded positive claims about NetJets doesn't make somebody bitter.

I would need to apply somewhere to get a call.

I already achieved that call at age 23.

I elected not to return for a myriad of reasons almost a decade ago.

Anyone wanting to try for something different, I applaud your efforts.

As for me... I happy here... hence my lack of applications. I'd never recoup the money starting over now for the lack of commute and other niceties of my situation.

Been there. Done that. NJA works great for me and many others.

When are you going to focus your message board efforts on Virgins board? Should I go introduce you to your new busies?

Why the macabre interest in things you've got in your rear view?


Man o man... look at the finger pointing!!

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FYI, there was downgrade language in NJAs 2007 contract.