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Originally Posted by N927EV
Exactly. I went to the delta WAI hiring briefing and they touched on the subject of long upgrade times at regionals. Arnie specifically mentioned envoy and Expressjet and he said they looked at other things in lieu of TPIC times. An example is that they use your CFI time in lieu of TPIC. That's not to say that it's more important, it's just that they know what's going on and they look into other factors. United understands this as well. I know of a few envoy and xjt perma FOs who were hired or interviewed at UAL and dal.
Yes, of course United and Delta have and will continue to hire those without 121 PIC from the regionals, but as a component of qualification, it is far better to have that experience (a checked box) then not. If two pilots are considered both with "loyalty" to a particular company of say 4 years, the one WITH 121 PIC is more apt to be selected, all other things being equal and that is a strike against Envoy considering their longer (above average) upgrade times.
But again, it doesn't matter whether I am an "angry old man" or an "Envoy hater" or any other nonsense some claim about me as that is simply irrelevant distraction (and inaccurate, but I'm sure emotionally satisfying). What IS important (and undeniable) is that Envoy will not flow itself either out of existence, nor to the point that they have to once again start relinquishing present feed assignments, at least not by choice. In the past, management made ridiculous claims they would park aircraft to keep the flow going and yet in March, they did the exact opposite by withholding a measly 5 pilots because of future staffing concerns. THIS is what should be of importance to pilots, i.e., not what they CLAIM (and a projection is a claim), but what they DO. In fact, the very act by Envoy to suck up more flying for AAG is one of the very things likely to haunt them and Envoy pilots in the future as the more flying they convince AAG they can take on now, the bigger monkey they have to feed going forward, meaning even more pilots or they shrink, AAG one again divests flying away from Envoy, upgrades slow further from already industry slow rates and eventually the flow is jeopardized.
Each and EVERY month going forward that provides anything fewer then 35-40 new-hires for Envoy is a master warning light requiring a checklist and as of now, even with Aprils hire numbers, Envoy is already behind the ball and should be keeping close watch for diversion airports.
Can they feed this HUGE (and increasing) monkey for another half decade consistently ?
I have STRONG doubts about that and that means another plan simply must come forward and likely sooner rather then later. THAT plan will likely mean MORE stability in the flow for Envoy pilots and other AAG regionals, but in exchange for that, more flexibility among eligible pilots meaning it will add more time to get to AA. Anyone is free to believe that going forward all will be unicorns and rainbows (complete with a pot of gold at the end) as some are advertising, but that is a recipe for disappointment and frustration. That is the SAME component behind many at Envoy now lamenting their long tenures as F/O's or the multitude of broken promises of the past that has led up to that long tenure.
Hopefully, the Charlie Buckets of the future will have more realistic expectations so as not to end up yet another generation of empty handed pilots with chips on their shoulders and feeling they have to resort to some of the tactics that seem especially prevalent at Envoy vs. other regionals as demonstrated on this forum.