Your 2nd to last sentence is my point exactly. I just don't think we are quite on the same wavelength here. The PP group won't even start flowing til mid next year at this rate. What is to keep people here from 2017-2020 if those LCC contracts are better than AA's? It's a simple business decision, and everyone will be hiring. Why stay at Envoy for the flow if one can find pastures way greener than the one at AA? As retirements pick up, the jobs simply won't take the legwork to acquire they used to or that they do now. (Please note I'm not saying Delta is going to start hiring over the phone, merely that five job fairs and 40 hrs a week volunteering plus F-14 time (also exaggerating somewhat) won't be necessary anymore)

My points about Envoy pilots resistance to vacating involve lateral moves to other regionals. As it stands now, most PP pilots, particularly current F/O's will go now to any decent LCC's that makes an employment offer. It's been my contention AAG will make a consolidation move involving Envoy by later next year when the PP agreement becomes the new flow mechanism, but Envoy (not AAG) is just concentrating on the now. LCC's (or legacies for that matter) are not gutting Envoy yet and for now, AAG/Envoy will only do what they think will keep the engine from seizing and nothing more, hence these schemes that do virtually nothing for present Envoy pilots and are all geared to just kicking the can for awhile, which BTW Mr. Pool seems all in to help.

My condolences on that last painful point.

100 new hires in the first six months... Any one have insight into the next couple of months?

At least 20 per month for the next few months.

Allegiant is the worst of the LCCs. That's a fact. The new TA pay rates help a lot though.

At least I made a move. You just visit the other forums kicking the tires. Guess you believe in the flow. It will likely work, but take you many years longer than the pie in the sky projections of Envoy management.

You're not an allegiant pilot and you were terminated from Envoy years ago. Thanks for playing

For someone who "works" at allegiant you spend a lot of time on time on regional forums always trashing envoy. I really doubt you work at allegiant.

2nd that. Eaglefly and this guy spend waytoo much time on here. You guys troll your hs Facebook page too?

So now as a new hire wanting ORD is it possible to pick between 3 aircraft now ?

In the end, who cares who I work for. It's irrelevant.

What's relevant is that I'm an Envoy Truther while you are an Envoy Cheerleader with a few others on here. Or, you can call me an Envoy Basher if you like.