Herk,

It is a matter of record that a ****-poor contract full of concessions and pay cuts has affected all of us for more than a decade. So why the skepticism when some contend that a good contract will have positive repercussions for decades? If we fold now, the precedent set with keep us down for years to come. The TVM angle of accepting an early settlement is a dead argument.

Remember when C2012 passed? Remember "We'll get em next time"? Well, it's next time, and not a time for concessions.

Please read your thoughts, and try and appreciate the entirely complete conditioning of thought you have undergone.

This is akin to the fine but important distinction between vacation 'selling' by a pilot.....and vacation BUYING by management..

So, the cp says its some senior 'dudes' coming up with 'excuses' to block in late? Those senior dudes..... man, they deserve the bullet.

And after all.....why preserve any part of the contract that does not impact me individually, right now?

You know, most senior 'dudes' don't need maternity coverage in the medical plan..... so how about we get rid of that hugely expensive bennie those junior 'dudes' come up with 'excuses' to use?

I suppose the cp failed to mention some junior 'dude'. On reserve... who gets stuck with a suckazz trip that blocks in at 2330 the day prior to vacation..... and then through no fault his own..... gets delayed, say, waiting 2hrs for a gate in lax?

Doesn't this present the same cost 'burden' to management as that greedy senior 'dudes' sinister plan?

In one case its some 'greedy pilot' that is the source of our benevolent managements difficulty....... in the other case, well, we really can't fault our management..... after all.... they are already too poorly rewarded for the impossible task of dealing with 'greedy senior dudes'...

P.S.......did the cp happen to mention if not for those greedy senior dudes surrendering their retirement, along with weeks of vacation that have not been restored, and taking near 50% pay cuts....... there wouldn't even be a delta airlines?

At least that's what I heard from one of those put upon management types once upon a time....

We get it. You'd rather sell your QOL for a few bucks. Good for you.

I'm not going to sell the best years of my life for a few bucks so Delta can beat the **** out of me. All so management can cash in on my crap QOL.

And I'm not alone.

Wow. That explanation is about as bad as the C2012 sell of "Oh, allowing reserves to go up to ALV + 15 is only so scheduling won't have to break up those 12 day international trips."

The sooner this group embraces the reality that a loss in value for one, is a loss in value for all...... the sooner we will truly begin to restore this profession.

Who are you shilling for? I've read your posts. I've tried to understand your point of view. It now just looks like you're a management troll.

I want QOL. I want my bretheren to have QOL. I played this stupid game for 16 years, off and on. I will never sell someone's future for my present. I bet you will.

There is no I in Team, but apparently, there's a huge ME there that you've found.

P.S. Your sarcasm needs work.

Its doubtful I would have been able to keep a straight face, hearing such an outrageously idiotic explanation from a cp.

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Well I have been playing this game for 26 yrs and if there's one thing I have learned, it is that the company crafts language to allow future loopholes that they will try to slip thru in future years. And when we find loopholes, the very next contract fills those holes. Example-

When I got hired, they did vacations manually. I had small kids and wanted Xmas off, but was nowhere near senior enough to bid that week. A wise 727 Capt told me the answer was to bid the week BEFORE Xmas off then add 7 bought vacation days. Voila, Xmas week off, because they were too stupid to notice that there were no more Xmas weeks available when they add bank vacation days.

Well, lo and behold, this worked for 3+ years for me, when many senior to me did NOT get Xmas off. Until a new contract expressly PROHIBITED using bought vacation days between 01 Dec and 10 Jan. Loophole closed.

So I believe the story I was told by the CP was true. I will never know, because at my category seniority level, I cannot sharpshoot PBS to test out that theory.
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Knot..... in comparative levels of economic damage to the airline...... where do suppose the few senior dude PBS sharpshooting vacationers...... stack up against the fuel hedging debacle this mgmt. team has inflicted on the bottom line?

Like i said.....I would have had real difficulty maintaining a straight face.