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#81
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Due to revisits on agreed upon sections of the contract and a proposal to up our ask from our prior table position the NMB has sided with the company and is placing our mediation in a holding status. They will devote the assets being used to other pending contracts. JM asked for and received permission to continue talks on several sections near completion prior to a complete shutdown of talks. This is anticipated to be a long term suspension. The MEC has remained in special session because of this development however as of now has no plan going forward.
If we asked for 8 hours per day, that would not fly.
What doesn't fly is FedEx has 6 hours per day and we have 3:15.
If we are parked do we lose virtual basing? New pilot pushing sick leave? Do we reduce profit sharing? TDY?
Increased widebody ALV? 50 more 76 seat jets for DCI?
Ask Ed if the Executive Compensation Committee uses UPS and FedEx for determining his compensation?
#82
Straight QOL, homie
Joined APC: Feb 2012
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Virtual basing as described is basically a blank check. Will cost a lot of jobs.
There are a lot more issues that need to be explained before we know the true scope of these concessions. Speaking of scope, why wasn't it improved?
Please get up to speed and delve into it before mailing in your yes vote.
#83
Were you here for the previous TA? You might need a better grasp of the issues. No pre- verification with a rolling 12 month lookback is a massive concession.
Virtual basing as described is basically a blank check. Will cost a lot of jobs.
There are a lot more issues that need to be explained before we know the true scope of these concessions. Speaking of scope, why wasn't it improved?
Please get up to speed and delve into it before mailing in your yes vote.
Virtual basing as described is basically a blank check. Will cost a lot of jobs.
There are a lot more issues that need to be explained before we know the true scope of these concessions. Speaking of scope, why wasn't it improved?
Please get up to speed and delve into it before mailing in your yes vote.
#84
I've looked over the NN in detail now at this point. My 3 reasons for voting no last time are gone. Now the company has to open up the checkbook appropriately in hourly rates, vacation, medical, and DC.
#85
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Ready to sign off on VBs without seeing the details? My rep indicated there are other concessions still being hashed out.
This NN was not an exhaustive list. IMO it was a way to start desensitizing us to all the gives in the works.
I've seen enough unless we see ups + on pay, vacation, retirement. That won't happen.
#87
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Sadly I think we are in for more concessions. Particularly scope. JV and DCI. They will be sold as wins.
I.e. 50 more 76 seat jets for DCI and they will park all 50 seaters. As we learned from the 190 farce, they are parking all the 50 seat jets anyway. We don't need to make severe concessions.
JV scope into compliance immediately. Measure period shortened to 2 years. No teeth. Expect immediate non compliance and another small check in a couple of years instead of all those widebody positions we would have if management honored our contract.
Vacation selling.
Etc.
#88
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Sadly I think we are in for more concessions. Particularly scope. JV and DCI. They will be sold as wins.
I.e. 50 more 76 seat jets for DCI and they will park all 50 seaters. As we learned from the 190 farce, they are parking all the 50 seat jets anyway. We don't need to make severe concessions.
JV scope into compliance immediately. Measure period shortened to 2 years. No teeth. Expect immediate non compliance and another small check in a couple of years instead of all those widebody positions we would have if management honored our contract.
Vacation selling.
Etc.
Sadly I think we are in for more concessions. Particularly scope. JV and DCI. They will be sold as wins.
I.e. 50 more 76 seat jets for DCI and they will park all 50 seaters. As we learned from the 190 farce, they are parking all the 50 seat jets anyway. We don't need to make severe concessions.
JV scope into compliance immediately. Measure period shortened to 2 years. No teeth. Expect immediate non compliance and another small check in a couple of years instead of all those widebody positions we would have if management honored our contract.
Vacation selling.
Etc.
This is the most transparent MEC/NC that I've ever seen. I'll let them do their job. The company had better do the right thing and pay up, vacation up, medical up, and DC up significantly with full retro.
As always, pitch fork and torch are ready to go if necessary, but certainly not an immediate go to.
#89
Due to revisits on agreed upon sections of the contract and a proposal to up our ask from our prior table position the NMB has sided with the company and is placing our mediation in a holding status. They will devote the assets being used to other pending contracts. JM asked for and received permission to continue talks on several sections near completion prior to a complete shutdown of talks. This is anticipated to be a long term suspension. The MEC has remained in special session because of this development however as of now has no plan going forward.
I am ready to do whatever it takes. Its an embarrassment to call yourself a world class airline when you operate the oldest equipment, while subsidizing foreign airlines. Airlines that are operating brand new, top of the line jets. Old Delta 767s jets sitting at the gate, next to brand spanking new 787s operated by Skyteam members, being funded by Delta.
This has to be the biggest scam in history, next to the maritime industry. Our executives are making well north of 50million a year. Something doesnt smell right. I am worried that our focus on ME3 and NAI is mis-directed. We should be more concerned with our company trying to eliminate us.
I say, let it take as long as it takes. Im done HOAR-frost-ING IT OUT.
TEN
#90
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im at point in my life that i am done "giving". My services are worth more than what our beloved management thinks. The markets agree with me.
I am ready to do whatever it takes. Its an embarrassment to call yourself a world class airline when you operate the oldest equipment, while subsidizing foreign airlines. Airlines that are operating brand new, top of the line jets. Old delta 767s jets sitting at the gate, next to brand spanking new 787s operated by skyteam members, being funded by delta.
This has to be the biggest scam in history, next to the maritime industry. Our executives are making well north of 50million a year. Something doesnt smell right. I am worried that our focus on me3 and nai is mis-directed. We should be more concerned with our company trying to eliminate us.
I say, let it take as long as it takes. Im done hoar-frost-ing it out.
Ten
I am ready to do whatever it takes. Its an embarrassment to call yourself a world class airline when you operate the oldest equipment, while subsidizing foreign airlines. Airlines that are operating brand new, top of the line jets. Old delta 767s jets sitting at the gate, next to brand spanking new 787s operated by skyteam members, being funded by delta.
This has to be the biggest scam in history, next to the maritime industry. Our executives are making well north of 50million a year. Something doesnt smell right. I am worried that our focus on me3 and nai is mis-directed. We should be more concerned with our company trying to eliminate us.
I say, let it take as long as it takes. Im done hoar-frost-ing it out.
Ten
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