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Old 07-21-2016 | 03:38 PM
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I'm still slowly parsing the whole virtual-basing item. I know there's a "gotcha" in there, I just need to find it.
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Old 07-21-2016 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Banzai
I'm still slowly parsing the whole virtual-basing item. I know there's a "gotcha" in there, I just need to find it.
The gotcha is it eliminates the DH...less crews required. Virtual base opens then closes. No equipment bid required. Great for the guy who lives in the virtual base until it goes away.

The language would have to air tight and we dont seem to be very good at creating air tight contractual language.
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Old 07-21-2016 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Banzai
I'm still slowly parsing the whole virtual-basing item. I know there's a "gotcha" in there, I just need to find it.
The virtual flying comes out of other bases adding to the flux in monthly bid packets. Reduced opportunity for in base adjustments. The fling has to come out of some base. That makes it punitive to the original base.
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Old 07-21-2016 | 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Banzai
I'm still slowly parsing the whole virtual-basing item. I know there's a "gotcha" in there, I just need to find it.
Gotcha #1 is all details to be determined later. What could possibly go wrong? For a lucky few, VB will be good. On the 7ER living in HNL? You'll get all the Japan and interport flying. Live in any of the other 7ER bases and enjoy the Pacific flying? Better move (outta your own pocket) to HNL. Like SAN layovers? Gone.
The surest sign that it's a concession is that mgt, not the pilots asked for it.
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Old 07-21-2016 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by qball
The gotcha is it eliminates the DH....
one man's trash...............
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Old 07-21-2016 | 04:16 PM
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I've got some questions and concerns for those that know better:

Sick Leave

· Verification not required until the first sick call in a bid period after the pilot has used more than 100 sick leave hours in the previous 12 bid periods; a pilot who has used less than 100 sick leave hours in the preceding 12 bid periods will have no obligation to provide verification in the current bid period, other than under a good faith basis
So if we use 100 hours due to a broken bone, and then get a cold on hr 101, we now have to verify from that point on? Will the company pay for all of those verifications?
· Eliminates voluntary verification
As of now if we have 100 hours and use 15, but verify those 15, we return to our 100 hours of unverified leave. But based on this it sounds like we can no longer get those 15 hours back even if we verify, correct? So now we're down to 85 no matter what?
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Old 07-21-2016 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by SluggoC17
I've got some questions and concerns for those that know better:

Sick Leave

· Verification not required until the first sick call in a bid period after the pilot has used more than 100 sick leave hours in the previous 12 bid periods; a pilot who has used less than 100 sick leave hours in the preceding 12 bid periods will have no obligation to provide verification in the current bid period, other than under a good faith basis
So if we use 100 hours due to a broken bone, and then get a cold on hr 101, we now have to verify from that point on? Will the company pay for all of those verifications?
· Eliminates voluntary verification
As of now if we have 100 hours and use 15, but verify those 15, we return to our 100 hours of unverified leave. But based on this it sounds like we can no longer get those 15 hours back even if we verify, correct? So now we're down to 85 no matter what?
You are correct sir!!
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Old 07-21-2016 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Viking busdvr
You are correct sir!!
Is it worth scuttling an otherwise potentially good deal?
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Old 07-21-2016 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by qball
The gotcha is it eliminates the DH...less crews required. Virtual base opens then closes. No equipment bid required. Great for the guy who lives in the virtual base until it goes away.

The language would have to air tight and we dont seem to be very good at creating air tight contractual language.
Originally Posted by notEnuf
The virtual flying comes out of other bases adding to the flux in monthly bid packets. Reduced opportunity for in base adjustments. The fling has to come out of some base. That makes it punitive to the original base.
That's how it appears to me. I don't think I like this VB thing, for a number of reasons.
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Old 07-21-2016 | 04:30 PM
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Do they not send the negotiator notepad updates to people on probation? I get normal ALPA emails, but don't seem to get those updates. I tried looking on the ALPA website and couldn't find them anywhere...
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