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07-21-2016, 07:41 AM
#31
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It seems doubtful that these are the current conditions.
Malone has been trying to keep the process moving and bringing the pilots along. In that effort, it would be suddenly out of character to take such steps and not inform the pilots.
The reps would likely be rushing to their SM outlets to get this stalemate scenario out to the public, as well.
We should see what progress, if any, is made by the MEC when they reconvene.
Malone has been trying to keep the process moving and bringing the pilots along. In that effort, it would be suddenly out of character to take such steps and not inform the pilots.
The reps would likely be rushing to their SM outlets to get this stalemate scenario out to the public, as well.
We should see what progress, if any, is made by the MEC when they reconvene.
07-21-2016, 08:10 AM
#33
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Let me get this straight. We agreed to conessions thinking pay would make up for it? Their pay proposal was a low ball offer. We then reopen our agreed upon concessions once it became apparent pay would not make up for it and we get iced? Section 3 should be negotiated first so we know where we stand.
07-21-2016, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
Because money is usually the easiest negotiation.
07-21-2016, 08:45 AM
#37
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Originally Posted by Clearedtopush
Due to revisits on agreed upon sections of the contract and a proposal to up our ask from our prior table position the NMB has sided with the company and is placing our mediation in a holding status. They will devote the assets being used to other pending contracts. JM asked for and received permission to continue talks on several sections near completion prior to a complete shutdown of talks. This is anticipated to be a long term suspension. The MEC has remained in special session because of this development however as of now has no plan going forward.
For just a second I had hoped this rumor was true and that our negotiators actually went back and fought for us instead of just giving something to get something. Sad.
07-21-2016, 08:47 AM
#38
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
It is??? Seems like negotiations knock out the easy stuff first and save money issues till the end where they beat each other over the head with costing models and revenue projections.
At which point they try and justify what they've done for how little they did it for.
If they did the money first, when they get to other sections they could just say, sorry you didn't pay us enough for that concession. We are happy to up the cash and discuss it.
07-21-2016, 09:12 AM
#39
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
Because money is usually the easiest negotiation.
None of the contract sections exist in a vacuum.
Bottom line I think agreeing to anything ahead of time ties your hands later in negotiations.
07-21-2016, 09:16 AM
#40
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Originally Posted by Clearedtopush
Due to revisits on agreed upon sections of the contract and a proposal to up our ask from our prior table position the NMB has sided with the company and is placing our mediation in a holding status. They will devote the assets being used to other pending contracts. JM asked for and received permission to continue talks on several sections near completion prior to a complete shutdown of talks. This is anticipated to be a long term suspension. The MEC has remained in special session because of this development however as of now has no plan going forward.
I find it hard to believe that NMB would "side with the company" under the circumstances. The NMB reportedly supported or even encouraged SWAPA to do exactly what is reported here.
Do we need the NMB's permission to talk to the company outside of mediation? I thought we could do that whenever we wanted.
If its true the company is walking away it is time to turn up the publicity heat.
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