Moondog

^^^^What he said!!!^^^^^^^^^^

KnotSoFast

It is clearly is many orders of magnitude different.
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My point, which immediately earned me a "management shill" badge, was that when the company asks for very specific language, there is a VERY specific reason.
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The "ocean crossing" definition many contracts ago was another example. An ocean crossing, was, among other things, any trip from USA mainland to South America. Then the definition changed several contract ago to South of 3.5 deg S in S America. This was to exclude new destinations such as Bogota and Georgetown from the definition.
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It just piques my curiosity when I see an unusually specific definition. I had to know, and that was the answer I got. So be it.
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BobZ

100% right on when they ask for something.....I always keep in mind them asking/needing something does not imply in any way its relevant or incumbent on us to accommodate them.

Or that their anecdotal rationale is even worth legitimate consideration.

It is interesting to observe the greatest economic successes delta has realized since reorganization are nearly all totally produced by the line employees buying in and putting the backpacks on........ while the greatest economic disaster resulted in a part of the operation entirely directed by and under the control of the 'smartest' management in the industry.

Who wouldn't recognize a backpack if it jumped up and bit them.

Chris Hansen

So using your logic the company can "max perform" on 13,000+ of us at any time? But the company wants to punish 13,000 of us because of a few "max performers" by having the ability to work all 13,000 of us into a vacation day? What happens when vacation starts on Dec 24/25? July 3/4? Day before the super bowl?

What about when the max perform? Example:
Lets say that the ALV for the month is 72 hours.

The company has the right to schedule us to ALV + 15.

At 71:58 of credit for the month you are assigned a 15 hour 3-day trip when you're two mins shy of being RSV full.

In this situation, scheduling is considered a "max performer" and we should go after the language in the contract pertaining to ALV+15. Right?

That chief pilot comment seems a little off. At any rate it is a concessionary PWA, in a pilots market, and the fact that we even have people debating the definition of concession or whether or not these are "things we can live with" is a little absurd to me. If it takes four years to get it right, so be it.

We have two more fleets coming online, AEs to follow, and one of the lowest first year pay situations in the industry. Sooner or later the 12,000 aspiring major/legacy/cargo pilots out there will help the case of the Delta pilot group. There will be a training churn. A few regionals may fold in the next four years. Who knows? What I do know is that this is a pretty smart group of guys and gals who won't settle as evidenced with NA15. We can also hope that the MEC-->NC-->LEC model works as it should and we aren't presented with another 💩 sandwich.

In the interim, it's business as usual and Feb 14 is just under seven months away. For those of you who are strapped for cash, hang in there.

JamesBond

But how do you decide whose ox getting gored is acceptable? Everybody cannot win. So what you just said is only partially true. The thing is that 'restoring' it for the part of the group that never lost anything to begin with -at this airline- truly harms those that did suffer loss a whole lot more, and time is not necessarily on their side. I know that doesn't fit your agenda so fire away while you throw them under the bus.

BobZ

Restoring the organized labor soul of this pilot group is going to be a thankless job for many of us.

I've pointed it out to you previously..... we were screwed over by those that preceeded us, our CBA, and management. We began this path on a b-scale reality, and many of us are going to end up with a proportionally damaged end.

A loss of value for one, is a loss of value for all. Anything less will only perpetuate the self destructive reality of the past.

Cogf16

I get what you re saying, but the pilot "sharpshooting"by intentionally delaying a departure so he can block in after midnight is perpetrating fraud or stealing from the company. Hopefully the idiot fuel hedging "expert" is actually trying to do the right thing. For me, that's the big distinction.

Cogf16

I'd love the best of all the other airlines contracts but that's not going to happen. Don't think we can cherry pick the best stuff from everyone. Tell you what though, I'd take Fedex or UPS s contract in it's entirety😃

Hawaii50

Don't worry, most here have been, are, or have been accused of being management shills, Moakists, Bartellians, Lewisites or some other equally hideous incarnation.

BobZ

Are you suggesting the current CEO's hand picked 'hedger' who was leading and shadowing his delta trades in a personal account...... and who of late had his trading license stripped, along with ordered 'restitution' was some kind of icon of virtue and integrity.... only capable of 'doing the "right" thing'????

You will have to excuse my inability to absorb such a ridiculous assertion with a straight face.

Never mind I simply do not buy the alleged 'senior dude' cp story as anything more than that......a story.

If mgmt had the dope on such events.... that is stealing.......... and any pilot engaging in such activities would be gone.

Unless you also believe ANY pilot that experiences a PWA triggered multiplier has somehow dishonestly precipitated such an event?

The cp tells a story that accuses line pilots of outright theft...... and no one calls BS?