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07-22-2016, 04:32 PM
#142
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Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
Originally Posted by Cogf16
I'd love the best of all the other airlines contracts but that's not going to happen. Don't think we can cherry pick the best stuff from everyone. Tell you what though, I'd take Fedex or UPS s contract in it's entirety😃
We have industry lagging now. This is far from the Delta you and I were hired at. I wont vote yes if I have to say "I can live with that."
The survey stunk and didnt ask good questions. The results were kept secret. The opener was weak - and is now completely outdated - its a no if we achieve it!
Our company is making billions, operating at a 20% margin. The guy that lost $4,000,000,000 on fuel hedges is paid $50M/ year, maybe more. You arent interested or dont think we can get $300/hr for the 757 plus retirement, better vacation, better daily guarantee, and medical? Why? We had industry leading when we made less than $1B/ yr.
07-22-2016, 04:42 PM
#143
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 4,116
You know, after thinking about this....I have just realized I need to report myself to the cp..... after all, my bidding weekends, holidays, and carryover periods off as a means to make myself available when most premium flying is awarded.... is highly likely to have me identified as yet another 'senior dude' stealing from the company....... and the subject of yet another 'story'....
Rationalizing the closing of yet another 'loophole'.
Rationalizing the closing of yet another 'loophole'.
07-22-2016, 06:38 PM
#144
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2008
Position: VEOP Retired! 7ER A was last position
Posts: 978
Originally Posted by BobZ
Are you suggesting the current CEO's hand picked 'hedger' who was leading and shadowing his delta trades in a personal account...... and who of late had his trading license stripped, along with ordered 'restitution' was some kind of icon of virtue and integrity.... only capable of 'doing the "right" thing'????
You will have to excuse my inability to absorb such a ridiculous assertion with a straight face.
Never mind I simply do not buy the alleged 'senior dude' cp story as anything more than that......a story.
If mgmt had the dope on such events.... that is stealing.......... and any pilot engaging in such activities would be gone.
Unless you also believe ANY pilot that experiences a PWA triggered multiplier has somehow dishonestly precipitated such an event?
The cp tells a story that accuses line pilots of outright theft...... and no one calls BS?
You will have to excuse my inability to absorb such a ridiculous assertion with a straight face.
Never mind I simply do not buy the alleged 'senior dude' cp story as anything more than that......a story.
If mgmt had the dope on such events.... that is stealing.......... and any pilot engaging in such activities would be gone.
Unless you also believe ANY pilot that experiences a PWA triggered multiplier has somehow dishonestly precipitated such an event?
The cp tells a story that accuses line pilots of outright theft...... and no one calls BS?
07-22-2016, 06:53 PM
#146
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: stake holder ir.delta.com
Posts: 10,027
Originally Posted by MtEverest
So guys and gals, are we going to allow Steve Uvena to gift one more contract to management?
What has been agreed to thus far is so far removed from where we should be it's mind boggling.
What has been agreed to thus far is so far removed from where we should be it's mind boggling.
Whether its DPA or teamsters or some other entity, change can't come fast enough if we are forced to vote on another non-restorative TA. I'm willing to wait, but I am unwilling to fail again.
07-22-2016, 07:59 PM
#147
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 4,116
Its public record. and this is just what they could prove.
Former Delta fuel executive, wife banned by CME | Reuters
And he was paid a $1M signing bonus..... yeah, a shining example of airline management 'integrity' and doing the 'right thing'...
If you don't view the related CP 'story' as a straight up accusation of pilots stealing from the airline.... then what do you consider it?
realize this convenient story not only intimates larceny, but also collusion and conspiracy on the part of the other pilot involved.
You know I have bid 6 days of turns in a row..... just want to check with you if my 'knowing' any extended delay on day 1-5 is likely to snowball into subsequent days of flying should be considered 'stealing' from my employer? I may need to pass it along to the NC as yet another outrageous 'loophole' that needs closing.
Former Delta fuel executive, wife banned by CME | Reuters
And he was paid a $1M signing bonus..... yeah, a shining example of airline management 'integrity' and doing the 'right thing'...
If you don't view the related CP 'story' as a straight up accusation of pilots stealing from the airline.... then what do you consider it?
realize this convenient story not only intimates larceny, but also collusion and conspiracy on the part of the other pilot involved.
You know I have bid 6 days of turns in a row..... just want to check with you if my 'knowing' any extended delay on day 1-5 is likely to snowball into subsequent days of flying should be considered 'stealing' from my employer? I may need to pass it along to the NC as yet another outrageous 'loophole' that needs closing.
Last edited by BobZ; 07-22-2016 at 08:27 PM.
07-23-2016, 03:21 AM
#148
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Left seat of a little plane
Posts: 2,397
Originally Posted by BobZ
Its public record. and this is just what they could prove.
Former Delta fuel executive, wife banned by CME | Reuters
And he was paid a $1M signing bonus..... yeah, a shining example of airline management 'integrity' and doing the 'right thing'...
If you don't view the related CP 'story' as a straight up accusation of pilots stealing from the airline.... then what do you consider it?
realize this convenient story not only intimates larceny, but also collusion and conspiracy on the part of the other pilot involved.
You know I have bid 6 days of turns in a row..... just want to check with you if my 'knowing' any extended delay on day 1-5 is likely to snowball into subsequent days of flying should be considered 'stealing' from my employer? I may need to pass it along to the NC as yet another outrageous 'loophole' that needs closing.
Former Delta fuel executive, wife banned by CME | Reuters
And he was paid a $1M signing bonus..... yeah, a shining example of airline management 'integrity' and doing the 'right thing'...
If you don't view the related CP 'story' as a straight up accusation of pilots stealing from the airline.... then what do you consider it?
realize this convenient story not only intimates larceny, but also collusion and conspiracy on the part of the other pilot involved.
You know I have bid 6 days of turns in a row..... just want to check with you if my 'knowing' any extended delay on day 1-5 is likely to snowball into subsequent days of flying should be considered 'stealing' from my employer? I may need to pass it along to the NC as yet another outrageous 'loophole' that needs closing.
07-23-2016, 06:04 AM
#149
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: stake holder ir.delta.com
Posts: 10,027
Originally Posted by scambo1
Cherry picking the best from each one is how you have "industry leading payrates, workrules and benefits." It should be our one and only opener and we should stand firm to get exactly that.
We have industry lagging now. This is far from the Delta you and I were hired at. I wont vote yes if I have to say "I can live with that."
The survey stunk and didnt ask good questions. The results were kept secret. The opener was weak - and is now completely outdated - its a no if we achieve it!
Our company is making billions, operating at a 20% margin. The guy that lost $4,000,000,000 on fuel hedges is paid $50M/ year, maybe more. You arent interested or dont think we can get $300/hr for the 757 plus retirement, better vacation, better daily guarantee, and medical? Why? We had industry leading when we made less than $1B/ yr.
We have industry lagging now. This is far from the Delta you and I were hired at. I wont vote yes if I have to say "I can live with that."
The survey stunk and didnt ask good questions. The results were kept secret. The opener was weak - and is now completely outdated - its a no if we achieve it!
Our company is making billions, operating at a 20% margin. The guy that lost $4,000,000,000 on fuel hedges is paid $50M/ year, maybe more. You arent interested or dont think we can get $300/hr for the 757 plus retirement, better vacation, better daily guarantee, and medical? Why? We had industry leading when we made less than $1B/ yr.
"We are committed to ensuring the Delta pilots have industry-leading pay, benefits and work rules."
Is this statement rhetorical fluff or a lie?
07-23-2016, 06:31 AM
#150
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Left seat of a little plane
Posts: 2,397
Originally Posted by MtEverest
So guys and gals, are we going to allow Steve Uvena to gift one more contract to management?
What has been agreed to thus far is so far removed from where we should be it's mind boggling.
What has been agreed to thus far is so far removed from where we should be it's mind boggling.
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