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02-21-2018, 04:45 AM

#111

rnfnr

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flyfast2u

I've been here for seven months and I damn sure want to vote

Quote:

Originally Posted by word302

You can...in another 5 months.

I've been here 9 months and I think waiting for
the 1 year anniversary to obtain voting eligibility
is fair, IMO.

When I was in sims last summer, ALL of the instructors
were pushing the yes vote...really hard. Newhires are
too easily swayed. I had a whopping 3 months with the
company under my belt when the last TA came around.
Looking back on it I don't think it was right for anyone
with such infantile seniority, including myself, be allowed
to vote.

02-21-2018, 09:16 AM

#112

Utah

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Management had meetings with the instructors telling them to push the yes vote on the pay package.

02-21-2018, 09:34 AM

#113

amcnd

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Originally Posted by Utah

Management had meetings with the instructors telling them to push the yes vote on the pay package.

Not true.... they told instructors to encourage pilots to vote and see the upside to a yes vote, being growth, stability, and opportunity.. they never told us to sell a yes vote..

02-21-2018, 10:01 AM

#114

Check Complete

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Quote:

Originally Posted by amcnd

Not true.... they told instructors to encourage pilots to vote and see the upside to a yes vote, being growth, stability, and opportunity.. they never told us to sell a yes vote..

Dead ****ing wrong!

I know what I heard!

02-21-2018, 10:17 AM

#115

SirLurksalot

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Quote:

Originally Posted by amcnd

Not true.... they told instructors to encourage pilots to vote and see the upside to a yes vote, being growth, stability, and opportunity.. they never told us to sell a yes vote..

That sounds exactly like selling a yes vote

02-21-2018, 10:32 AM

#116

Utah

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SirLurksalot

That sounds exactly like selling a yes vote

And that's why the company wanted new hires to be eligible to vote. And SAPA agreed to it.

02-21-2018, 11:16 AM

#117

hawk21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by amcnd

Not true.... they told instructors to encourage pilots to vote and see the upside to a yes vote, being growth, stability, and opportunity.. they never told us to sell a yes vote..

Please explain how that is any different? Either way the instructors were pushing it on new hires that didn't know any better. My friends that were sitting in class made it sound like they were using scare tactics to get yes votes.

02-21-2018, 11:16 AM

#118

amcnd

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Check Complete

Dead ****ing wrong!

I know what I heard!

So do i!! And then you will know there were 6 meetings.. And in no way did they say “sell yes votes or else”....

02-21-2018, 11:22 AM

#119

trip

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Quote:

Originally Posted by amcnd

So do i!! And then you will know there were 6 meetings.. And in no way did they say “sell yes votes or else”....

Come on, we're not stupid.

02-21-2018, 11:33 AM

#120

amcnd

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Originally Posted by trip

Come on, we're not stupid.

They told us the pros/cons of a yes/no. But never felt if I didn’t sell it i was lut of a instructor job... i agree. Were about to have a full meltdown.. if they dont march pay/Qol soon. Will be in thermal runaway...