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Old 03-20-2020 | 09:17 AM
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Really? Everyone congratulating SAPA for a job well done? What a blatant disregard for seniority and 'policy'. People make decisions to stay or go based off of what is written in the PPM. Then when a situation occurs that would actually require the application of it, it gets pencil whipped to whatever the company desires. This should have been voluntary leave (including 50hr zero block months) followed by furloughs if necessary.
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Old 03-20-2020 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by overthrust
Really? Everyone congratulating SAPA for a job well done? What a blatant disregard for seniority and 'policy'. People make decisions to stay or go based off of what is written in the PPM. Then when a situation occurs that would actually require the application of it, it gets pencil whipped to whatever the company desires. This should have been voluntary leave (including 50hr zero block months) followed by furloughs if necessary.
yes not sure how this is going to help OO save any money.
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Old 03-20-2020 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by overthrust
Really? Everyone congratulating SAPA for a job well done? What a blatant disregard for seniority and 'policy'. People make decisions to stay or go based off of what is written in the PPM. Then when a situation occurs that would actually require the application of it, it gets pencil whipped to whatever the company desires. This should have been voluntary leave (including 50hr zero block months) followed by furloughs if necessary.
They are going reverse seniority and forced 50hrs paid month off... (if not enough takers)
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Old 03-20-2020 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by overthrust
Really? Everyone congratulating SAPA for a job well done? What a blatant disregard for seniority and 'policy'. People make decisions to stay or go based off of what is written in the PPM. Then when a situation occurs that would actually require the application of it, it gets pencil whipped to whatever the company desires. This should have been voluntary leave (including 50hr zero block months) followed by furloughs if necessary.
Isn't that what it is?
Are you saying a senior PDX 175 guy flying AK only (who’s not drawing down) should get a CPTO line vs a more junior MSP captain flying only DL (who’s making massive reductions)? That would require several seat a and base swaps.
I think you need to see the complexities of the SKYW operation and realize this is a good compromise and attempt to avoid furloughs.
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Old 03-20-2020 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by UnderCenter
The reason there are bases with only reserve is because AA and Delta haven’t sent over the schedule package yet, not that there isn’t any flying. In order to comply with posting the bid by today, that had to make bases with only AA or Delta flying all reserve because they don’t have the pairing to build lines. Once they get the schedules from AA and Delta, I assume they will start assigning the trips to everyone. In looking at DEN and COS, it’s not as bad as I thought it would be, but I guess they could still cancel a lot of those flight who knows.
who gets these trips as they trickle in? Will it be open time that gets assigned to reserve pilots? Those would have been my trips when I was a line holder. Should I have call me first turned on to maybe get some of those trips?
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Old 03-20-2020 | 10:06 AM
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who gets these trips as they trickle in? Will it be open time that gets assigned to reserve pilots? Those would have been my trips when I was a line holder. Should I have call me first turned on to maybe get some of those trips?

Trips will in restricted open time. Reserves proffer in seniority order for the trips...
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Old 03-20-2020 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by trip
Isn't that what it is?
Are you saying a senior PDX 175 guy flying AK only (who’s not drawing down) should get a CPTO line vs a more junior MSP captain flying only DL (who’s making massive reductions)? That would require several seat a and base swaps.
I think you need to see the complexities of the SKYW operation and realize this is a good compromise and attempt to avoid furloughs.
I'm saying labor shouldn't be giving up anything in order to 'mitigate furloughs'. Instead entire domiciles are going on reserve. Reduction in line holder guarantee to 72. Reduction in reserve guarantee to 67. The 50 hour zero block offer can be reduced to 36 if ATC shuts down.

It should simply be monthly guarantee of 75. The company can offer various voluntary leaves. If that is not enough, furlough.
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Old 03-20-2020 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by overthrust
I'm saying labor shouldn't be giving up anything in order to 'mitigate furloughs'. Instead entire domiciles are going on reserve. Reduction in line holder guarantee to 72. Reduction in reserve guarantee to 67. The 50 hour zero block offer can be reduced to 36 if ATC shuts down.

It should simply be monthly guarantee of 75. The company can offer various voluntary leaves. If that is not enough, furlough.
The problem with furloughs is only F/Os get cut, requires equal amount of downgrades and retraining. Training is shut down right now.
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Old 03-20-2020 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by overthrust
I'm saying labor shouldn't be giving up anything in order to 'mitigate furloughs'. Instead entire domiciles are going on reserve. Reduction in line holder guarantee to 72. Reduction in reserve guarantee to 67. The 50 hour zero block offer can be reduced to 36 if ATC shuts down.

It should simply be monthly guarantee of 75. The company can offer various voluntary leaves. If that is not enough, furlough.
As long as you get your 100+ hours a month a **** everyone else right.

You're a ****ing douchebag
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Old 03-20-2020 | 10:23 AM
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As long as you get your 100+ hours a month a **** everyone else right.

You're a ****ing douchebag
Personally, I try to work the minimum days/hours I can. When at work I do my job as asked. But I expect the company to bear the brunt of costs when need be. Not labor. And seniority should never be violated like it has been with this and repeatedly in recent years at Skywest.
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