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Old 05-07-2015, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by SMACFUM View Post
Dumb question, and I realize the much broader implications here BUT isn't the proposed profit sharing program based on SkyWest Airlines segment profit contribution only? (not XJET, or Inc.) In other words, wouldn't a stock-buyback program only effect Inc.'s bottom line (after SKW Airlines's segment profit has already been posted on the income statement?)

I think this is an important distinction, before everybody starts jumping off bridges here.
You are probably right, but the biggest thing is that people are FINALLY realizing that SGU doesn't really care about employees and is a business in business to make money. I am glad to see enough people remember the bait and switch with the EMB-120 from last pay package. At least, that is my hope.
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Old 05-07-2015, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Probably not...blatant insider trading, don't collect $200 go straight to jail.

"SkyWest is authorized to repurchase shares at prevailing market prices in the open market, in privately negotiated transactions or by other means in accordance with federal securities laws, as deemed appropriate by SkyWest management."
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Old 05-07-2015, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SMACFUM View Post
Dumb question, and I realize the much broader implications here BUT isn't the proposed profit sharing program based on SkyWest Airlines segment profit contribution only? (not XJET, or Inc.) In other words, wouldn't a stock-buyback program only effect Inc.'s bottom line (after SKW Airlines's segment profit has already been posted on the income statement?)

I think this is an important distinction, before everybody starts jumping off bridges here.
I'm pretty sure that a stock buyback program is a balance sheet and cash flow transaction and has nothing to do with the profit & loss sheet. That and dividends are two ways of returning excess cash to the shareholders. It is not an expense.
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Old 05-07-2015, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom View Post
"SkyWest is authorized to repurchase shares at prevailing market prices in the open market, in privately negotiated transactions or by other means in accordance with federal securities laws, as deemed appropriate by SkyWest management."
Execs benefiting from the long-term health/well-being of the company: legal.

Execs benefiting from short-term manipulations based on info not available to other shareholders: probably not legal.

Generally they can play games with the stock as long as all shareholders benefit/suffer equally.
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Old 05-07-2015, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Execs benefiting from the long-term health/well-being of the company: legal.

Execs benefiting from short-term manipulations based on info not available to other shareholders: probably not legal.

Generally they can play games with the stock as long as all shareholders benefit/suffer equally.
They are buying stock to pump up the stock price to make them either less desirable for another airline to try and buy them or if someone decides to pull the trigger at least the shareholders make a tidy sum off the sale. It's the same reason the cash on hand has gone down recently. You don't want to have a $5 a share stock price and $800M in the bank right now
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Old 05-08-2015, 06:12 AM
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They are buying stock to pump up the stock price to make them either less desirable for another airline to try and buy them or if someone decides to pull the trigger at least the shareholders make a tidy sum off the sale. It's the same reason the cash on hand has gone down recently. You don't want to have a $5 a share stock price and $800M in the bank right now
Right, raises the barrier and makes one a less desirable target. That's legal and I'm all for it. As bad as everyone thinks SGU is at least they want to be running an airline, Far better than some outfit which specializes in buying companies, extracting cash, dismantling and selling the parts for scrap value.
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Old 05-08-2015, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
It's as binding as any other agreement between two parties. A lot of it is weak because of poor language, but the payscale table could not be any clearer.
So every single pilot has signed this agreement? Yet SAPA negotiates changes to this agreement? Does every single pilot have to resign this new agreement? Look, this is the same conundrum that JetBlue pilots went through. Ultimately, they new they don't have a leg to stand on if management decided to reinterpret their agreement? And that's in light of that they actually did sign this agreement individually.

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Well it is true, regardless of what SGU has to say about it. The fact that they acknowledged just shows their state of mind and gives some insight as to how they might approach a conflict.
I've been in the room with JA and BR when they were trying to get what they wanted. And they were VERY CAREFUL on how they said certain things and what they said only because they were trying to control expectations. If you think they tell you something because it gives you more power, you are mistaken. The opposite is true.


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I think that's what I said before. Unions provide other benefits, but they are not technically needed to get a contract enforced...I've executed countless business and personal contracts, and never had union involved in any of them.
True, after all, our CEO and all top level executives have their own employment contracts. And that's what we are talking here, employment contracts, not business contracts. Our own executives feel it's in their best interest to have their own employment contract yet want to deprive you of the same benefit. You guys need to wake up already.


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No law needs to be broken. This would a tort claim in the civil system (better review your first-year lawschool textbooks again).

A professional labor lawyer would be needed to determine the best venue, but the CA civil system pops out as glaringly obvious...lots of SKW pilots live and employed in CA, labor friendly judges & juries, and no close ties to any particular church. A win there might not legally help the UT crowd but it would be hard for the company to pay out only to the Cali peeps...

Not as elegant as the NMB system by any means but I'm willing to bet it's a mess that Inc would really like to avoid. They might get multiple suits in multiple states...good times.
That's the WHOLE point of collective bargaining! Sure, they would be HAPPY to deal with you in court on a one by one basis or even in a class of a few hundred people. They know they might lose some of these cases, like DD's but overall they know that's better than dealing with the whole pilot group as one. That's the reason why they try to convince you that you have a contract! I can believe that you don't understand this.

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That's what I heard but I can't say for sure it's fact. But most companies do these days.

This is false. No one at a union airline songs any such thing. Even my previous non-union air carrier didn't require us to do this.

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Right, raises the barrier and makes one a less desirable target. That's legal and I'm all for it. As bad as everyone thinks SGU is at least they want to be running an airline, Far better than some outfit which specializes in buying companies, extracting cash, dismantling and selling the parts for scrap value.

Sounds a lot like a company in st George, buying a company, extracting cash, dismantling and selling the parts for scraps. What? Doesn't fit the narrative of the benevolent management that is at George?
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Old 05-08-2015, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate View Post
I'll repost:

"I'm just asking a question. I didn't intend for you to get defensive about it. I'm curious if you are a pilot at Skywest or any other regional for that matter? Or are you a dispatcher or something else for Skywest? I honestly don't think that the supposed Skywest dispatchers on this board are really dispatchers. So which is it? No judging, promise."


First of all, I don't care if you judge me whatsoever. Actually, I don't ever specify on any boards who I work for or what I do. I find it more entertaining to watch people pretend they know it all, and are able to tell me what I do and where I work. I am a pilot, a dispatcher, a crew scheduler, an executive, a lav dumper, and a mechanic. That answer your question?

You have still failed to answer the question. No one else here feels the need to hide what they do, dispatchers included. In fact, I get a lot more insight from dispatchers than from pilots. And that's because they have a different perspective than I do. So who do you work for and what do you do for them?
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Old 05-08-2015, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets View Post
You have still failed to answer the question. No one else here feels the need to hide what they do, dispatchers included. In fact, I get a lot more insight from dispatchers than from pilots. And that's because they have a different perspective than I do. So who do you work for and what do you do for them?
Unless you have a relative working at the NSA, I doubt you will ever find out.
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Old 05-08-2015, 04:47 PM
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So how did the vote go? Did the voting period end today?
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