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Old 03-02-2018, 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by calmwinds
Envoy isn’t having a hard time getting people to go to LGA. All FO’s that hit 1,000 hours are forced to upgrade to LGA as CA. New hires FO’s are assigned LGA. That’s what you can do when you have a flow and tons of pilots: treat your pilots like crap.
Skywest is quickly making a name for themselves. Almost Mesa like. They may have a hard time specifically recruiting for New York. But they still have many attractive bases and the are still getting shiny new 175’s. People will still flock to Skywest thinking New York will be short term
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Old 03-02-2018, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by calmwinds
Envoy isn’t having a hard time getting people to go to LGA. All FO’s that hit 1,000 hours are forced to upgrade to LGA as CA. New hires FO’s are assigned LGA. That’s what you can do when you have a flow and tons of pilots: treat your pilots like crap.

They need over 300 street captain the next 18 months to sustain their operation. They are averaging 4-8 because nobody wants to go sit rsv in LGA forever.
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Old 03-02-2018, 06:19 PM
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To those who have been in the school house lately, what is the background makeup of our new hires?
As we go in to pay negotiations and the summer schedule I’m curious to what is happening in SLC/DEN.

While I’m sure there are still CFIs and freight dogs but is the ratio of foreigners and second career pilots growing?

Are there no-shows?
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Old 03-02-2018, 09:30 PM
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I bet a LGA 175 base would be super junior, almost new hire junior. Look at how hard of a time Envoy is having getting people to go to LGA.
Nah. 175 CA is at 2300/4600 right now. There’s plenty of young guys who would put in the bid.
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Old 03-02-2018, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by WesternSkies
To those who have been in the school house lately, what is the background makeup of our new hires?
As we go in to pay negotiations and the summer schedule I’m curious to what is happening in SLC/DEN.

While I’m sure there are still CFIs and freight dogs but is the ratio of foreigners and second career pilots growing?

Are there no-shows?
Bunch of Austrailian new hires in the 175. Great guys, but they’re recruiting from half a world away.
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Old 03-03-2018, 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by WesternSkies
To those who have been in the school house lately, what is the background makeup of our new hires?
As we go in to pay negotiations and the summer schedule I’m curious to what is happening in SLC/DEN.

While I’m sure there are still CFIs and freight dogs but is the ratio of foreigners and second career pilots growing?

Are there no-shows?
My interview group was 3 CFI’s, one military, 2 prior 121
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Old 03-03-2018, 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by WesternSkies
To those who have been in the school house lately, what is the background makeup of our new hires?
As we go in to pay negotiations and the summer schedule I’m curious to what is happening in SLC/DEN.

While I’m sure there are still CFIs and freight dogs but is the ratio of foreigners and second career pilots growing?

Are there no-shows?
I hear there are more foriegners, but there were always a few.

I definitely saw more career-changers in the last few years, but many of them were retired from the previous gig, or had a business that ran with minimal oversight. The "retirees" typically end up at SKW because they want the bases, either Cali or the Rockies. Being multi-millionaires, they typically aren't too worried about FO pay. They aren't going to move or commute to NY for an extra $15k.

Their IDGAF attitude helps with QOL, they can call in when they want to and not worry about getting in trouble. Reality is the company might fire a flagrant abuser to make an example, but they can't afford to fire everybody... especially people who mostly show up and do their job, and are not applying to majors.
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Old 03-05-2018, 07:38 PM
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Good point, I could totally see 2nd career pilots being a major source of OO pilot recruiting. A 50 year old pilot with 1500 1-hour Cessna flights is (mostly) going to be ride this ship into the sunset for 15 years.
Letting that pilot sink or swim through training would definitely be a good risk-reward for company.
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Old 03-06-2018, 07:47 AM
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Good point, I could totally see 2nd career pilots being a major source of OO pilot recruiting. A 50 year old pilot with 1500 1-hour Cessna flights is (mostly) going to be ride this ship into the sunset for 15 years.
Letting that pilot sink or swim through training would definitely be a good risk-reward for company.
There was 5 of these types in my initial. Not one made it out of training.
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Old 03-06-2018, 12:38 PM
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There was 5 of these types in my initial. Not one made it out of training.
Yep, these are the guys who struggle the most. We had 3 in my new hire class and they all washed out.
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