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amcnd 04-17-2018 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by GearUpHeadDown (Post 2574398)
Dude go elsewhere.. CZ for LAX or Envoy is opening there in a few months.

Envoy LAX? Unless you have concrete eviythats a gamble... i was based there for Envoy.. LAX closed... good luck with that one..

rickair7777 04-17-2018 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by WesternSkies (Post 2574377)
You are correct about rest but “rest” isn’t why it is illegal.

It is illegal because of the FAA defined meanings of the words involved. Specific legal definitions.

Rest is a false lead.

It's not illegal at all. If you think it is, your comprehension of the regs is imprecise:

Flight Duty Period: Pretty tightly regulated.

Rest: Pretty tightly regulated.

Duty: Not an FDP, but also not rest. You can do as much duty as the company wants, doing anything the company wants you to do, as long as you get the the required rest before starting an FDP or RAP.

Here's a key concept, which is commonly misunderstood under 117 as well as the old rules: Once you are done flying pax during a duty period, or have no intent to fly pax, the 117 rules afford you ABSOLUTELY ZERO protections. None, zip, nada. The FAA doesn't care how the company uses and abuses you, as long as you get legal rest before your NEXT 117 FDP. You can work 16 hours with an extension, and then they can deadhead you to Tokyo. When you get to Tokyo they can make you stay at the airport and clean lavs for another 16 hours (or more if they want). Don't like it? Quit.

Your only protection is contractual work rules.

WesternSkies 04-17-2018 03:54 PM

Again you are correct.
It is illegal for the previous posted reason other than rest.....or FDP or 117 or anything else rest related you want to continue to be correct about.

GearUpHeadDown 04-17-2018 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2574402)
Envoy LAX? Unless you have concrete eviythats a gamble... i was based there for Envoy.. LAX closed... good luck with that one..

Might be wrong on that but I heard they might.. still CZ is a better option there.

Cazadores 04-17-2018 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by guppy69 (Post 2574367)
About how long is it to hold a line at LAX or FAT these days?



Here's the issue, it isn't long as a FO to hold a line at SkyWest, at any base, the rub comes when you want/need to upgrade to further your career or make a living income. There are Captains I know with nearly 10 years seniority who are barely holding West coast bases, let alone a line.

If LA is a priority Compass is the way to go.


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Bruno82 04-18-2018 05:56 AM

Am I reading it correctly that it would be several months to hold ORD or DEN as a new hire?

flysooner9 04-18-2018 06:49 AM

Pretty sure ORD can be held right away for a FO on both the CRJ or ERJ

guppy69 04-18-2018 07:11 AM

anyone know if the population at SkyWest is coming up on the mandatory retirement wave like the majors are? I don't see it tracked on APC for the regionals.

trip 04-18-2018 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by guppy69 (Post 2574890)
anyone know if the population at SkyWest is coming up on the mandatory retirement wave like the majors are? I don't see it tracked on APC for the regionals.

No, just a handful per year.

rickair7777 04-18-2018 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by guppy69 (Post 2574890)
anyone know if the population at SkyWest is coming up on the mandatory retirement wave like the majors are? I don't see it tracked on APC for the regionals.

No. Massive hiring post 9/11.

Once you get to about 60% as a CA, your progression will slow to a crawl, literally slower than the legacies.


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