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elmetal 09-20-2016 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 2207049)
you miss my point.
SKW will pay the pay increases but where are they going to get the money. AAG and DAL, would not think these two will increase there fee's to skw just to go and increase pay and bonuses at the w/o's again. This would be nothing else than AAG and DAL their individual self bidding against themselves. SKW only option is United since they own no one. Thats my point. SKW gets paid from the mainline carrier it feeds. It gets a set amount.

Yep. But remember those millions of dollars in profits? Skw has the money...

RemoveB4Flight 09-20-2016 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 2207049)
you miss my point.
SKW will pay the pay increases but where are they going to get the money. AAG and DAL, would not think these two will increase there fee's to skw just to go and increase pay and bonuses at the w/o's again. This would be nothing else than AAG and DAL their individual self bidding against themselves. SKW only option is United since they own no one. Thats my point. SKW gets paid from the mainline carrier it feeds. It gets a set amount.

If that's what you're suggesting then I did not miss your point.
First of all Skywest makes plenty in profits.
Second, the majors need Skywest to fly the flights they are contracted to fly. If Skywest can't staff because they can't afford to pay the going rate for a regional pilot then the majors will suffer those financial losses as well.
It's the beginning of a new world in terms of compensation for a regional pilot. If everyone had your mindset pilot compensation would stay embarrassingly low while airlines continue to enjoy record profits.

buddies8 09-20-2016 04:20 PM

maybe you should rethink skw's hold on mainlines.
but pilots looking to get to a regional and leave is what has caused the low pay rates because they did not want to fight for pay. When was the last time the skw pilot group fought for raises?

RemoveB4Flight 09-20-2016 04:54 PM

You're right..the majors don't need Skywest or its 4000 pilots.

I'm not saying Skywest has a hold on them but they're business relationship is a win-win for them both..even if the majors do have to cough up a little more money to help pay for the increased pay regionals are offering pilots.

TogaParty 09-20-2016 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 2207101)
maybe you should rethink skw's hold on mainlines.
but pilots looking to get to a regional and leave is what has caused the low pay rates because they did not want to fight for pay. When was the last time the skw pilot group fought for raises?

If we're going to play this game... Who was the last regional to vote in a concessionary contract?
We're filling our classes with 60+ in each. I assume that most of those 60+ probably had offers from other airlines including maybe Envoy? However, they still chose SkyWest for whatever reason. One of those reasons could've been OO's significantly higher pay to that of the AA WO's. That coupled with higher pay rates at other regionals probably forced AAG's hand into giving you guys at the Wholly owned carriers the rates/signing bonuses they gave to attract some of those 60+. Your rates are now higher than ours, which is what we all want to see because it in turn forces our mgt to up their game if they want to keep attracting the number of candidates they have been.

.....You're welcome.

WesternSkies 09-20-2016 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 2207049)
you miss my point.
SKW will pay the pay increases but where are they going to get the money. AAG and DAL, would not think these two will increase there fee's to skw just to go and increase pay and bonuses at the w/o's again. This would be nothing else than AAG and DAL their individual self bidding against themselves. SKW only option is United since they own no one. Thats my point. SKW gets paid from the mainline carrier it feeds. It gets a set amount.

I still have no idea what you are trying to communicate.
Are typing on a flip-phone? A little T9 action?

Oma4545 09-20-2016 05:32 PM

Is there anyone based in Denver around? DVR just came out, and shows zero vacancies yet again. I live in DEN and am commuting to MSP reserve. Very rarely do I get called to fly here, and the reserve staffing shows them under in DEN and over here on MSP. Are they shrinking the number of lines available?

elmetal 09-20-2016 05:33 PM

They are. They'd rather just obr people from msp everywhere that way no one can drop.

Oma4545 09-20-2016 05:38 PM

Called and have offered to st reserve in DEN. "No, we're short in MSP." Then I sit around for five days hoping I can work. I know it's all part of the game but it does wear on a person.

elmetal 09-20-2016 05:40 PM

They don't care. You're not a person. You're a number. Welcome to Skywest.


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