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02-01-2017, 06:26 AM
#5541
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 2,485
Originally Posted by BeechPilot33
There are FO's at Piedmont that made 100k by picking up 300% overtime on days off and not having a life. He was talking about just base pay, which is over 20k higher.
I don't agree with picking a regional based on where you currently live. Unless you are independently wealthy or have a sugar momma you want to pick a regional that has the best opportunity to get you out the fastest. If you want the 2 year upgrade or whatever the junior upgrade is you have to move to a junior base anyway. I think it's worth it to upgrade a year or two quicker. It could get you to a major a year or two faster. Your talkin 200-400k on the back end of your career. When you get to a major then pick a base where you want to live. They have lots of em.
Using that logic if I lived in Houston I would just work for Mesa. Not a good career move especially now the quick upgrade is gone.
I don't agree with picking a regional based on where you currently live. Unless you are independently wealthy or have a sugar momma you want to pick a regional that has the best opportunity to get you out the fastest. If you want the 2 year upgrade or whatever the junior upgrade is you have to move to a junior base anyway. I think it's worth it to upgrade a year or two quicker. It could get you to a major a year or two faster. Your talkin 200-400k on the back end of your career. When you get to a major then pick a base where you want to live. They have lots of em.
Using that logic if I lived in Houston I would just work for Mesa. Not a good career move especially now the quick upgrade is gone.
02-01-2017, 06:29 AM
#5542
Ich bin Pilot von Beruf
Joined APC: Aug 2016
Position: CRJ Kapitän
Posts: 616
LOL just the name Piedmont sends bouts of laughter reverberating down my spine. 
You have fun now working for that shoddy company of yours, amigo. Oh wait, you likely cannot since you have a single day off awarded between 4-days.... Haha
You have fun now working for that shoddy company of yours, amigo. Oh wait, you likely cannot since you have a single day off awarded between 4-days.... Haha
02-01-2017, 06:50 AM
#5543
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 106
Ugh just so people are aware of 1st year pay 2016 I finished at $46,000 had no bonus paid. November 2015 hire, I finished sim Jan 2016 was online off of IOE in Feb. 2nd year pay bump was in November but that extra dollar had almost no impact on final number. Through the months my hours averaged 88 hours. My number is including per deim. So is it amazing pay no! Is it more than instructing yes! I was able to pay all my bills, go on vacations, and we bought a house. If you can't live off of that you are doing several things wrong.
02-01-2017, 07:20 AM
#5544
Ich bin Pilot von Beruf
Joined APC: Aug 2016
Position: CRJ Kapitän
Posts: 616
Still wouldn't hurt to have better pay though, we should honestly concede that. To be fair, it's a regional and just a stepping stone. Get your time and get out. I never understand why we have so many lifers here....I'm just glad that for those of who want to move on, there is less competition as an outcome....
02-01-2017, 07:39 AM
#5545
Man in a Suitcase
Joined APC: Apr 2015
Posts: 180
Originally Posted by Duesenflieger
I never understand why we have so many lifers here....
Then there are the genuine lifers who have great schedules and live in base, plus they make great money. It would be tough to give that up just to fly a bigger airplane.
02-01-2017, 07:50 AM
#5546
Ich bin Pilot von Beruf
Joined APC: Aug 2016
Position: CRJ Kapitän
Posts: 616
Originally Posted by spikemath
Really? There is a large segment of our Captain group who are in that "lost generation" who are actively working to move on but are being told by recruiters that they have too much Captain time, or that they are now too old (they hit the number 40). Most of those guys don't want to be lifers but are in a way being forced to.
Then there are the genuine lifers who have great schedules and live in base, plus they make great money. It would be tough to give that up just to fly a bigger airplane.
Then there are the genuine lifers who have great schedules and live in base, plus they make great money. It would be tough to give that up just to fly a bigger airplane.
02-01-2017, 08:07 AM
#5547
Dumb Pilot
Joined APC: Apr 2013
Position: Broke
Posts: 784
Originally Posted by Duesenflieger
I can't speak for all captains at other bases, but where I am based, I am finding those over 40 years old refuse to volunteer or partake in company extracurriculars or attend job fairs. I'm not making that up either because I ask each one of them whether they do those things after they tell me that no one will hire them. It's always the same, "I won't beg for a job." To be VERY FAIR, it is very hard to do all of these things and takes a lot of determination, spending of one's income and so on. Many of them haven't published their apps in their ten year tenure as a commercial pilot, or update only every three months. No wonder that they can't move on....
02-01-2017, 08:47 AM
#5548
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: Downward Dog
Posts: 1,877
Seriously. The hiring departments at major airlines have slam dunks compared to their peers in the rest of the world.
They have a highly specialized Job to be filled and they can't walk without tripping over qualified applicants whose ten year work, medical and security history completely encompasses flying their own passengers day in and day out without incident. All with documents to back that up.
...But everybody loves a good job fair.
They have a highly specialized Job to be filled and they can't walk without tripping over qualified applicants whose ten year work, medical and security history completely encompasses flying their own passengers day in and day out without incident. All with documents to back that up.
...But everybody loves a good job fair.
02-01-2017, 09:20 AM
#5549
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Posts: 280
Originally Posted by RedBeardedPilot
Ugh just so people are aware of 1st year pay 2016 I finished at $46,000 had no bonus paid. November 2015 hire, I finished sim Jan 2016 was online off of IOE in Feb. 2nd year pay bump was in November but that extra dollar had almost no impact on final number. Through the months my hours averaged 88 hours. My number is including per deim. So is it amazing pay no! Is it more than instructing yes! I was able to pay all my bills, go on vacations, and we bought a house. If you can't live off of that you are doing several things wrong.
Just curious, when you say averaging 88, is that your actual flight or credit? Looking at the numbers, I don't see how 88 credit would be getting you that money, unless per diem is really adding that much, and you're also including bonuses? (Which would lead to my next question, how substantial are the bonuses?)
02-01-2017, 09:22 AM
#5550
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,405
Originally Posted by Duesenflieger
I can't speak for all captains at other bases, but where I am based, I am finding those over 40 years old refuse to volunteer or partake in company extracurriculars or attend job fairs. I'm not making that up either because I ask each one of them whether they do those things after they tell me that no one will hire them. It's always the same, "I won't beg for a job." To be VERY FAIR, it is very hard to do all of these things and takes a lot of determination, spending of one's income and so on. Many of them haven't published their apps in their ten year tenure as a commercial pilot, or update only every three months. No wonder that they can't move on....
The job fair paradigm may be just a creative filter to allow age discrimination.
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