Skywest v2.0

Closed Thread Subscribe

Page 556 of 1089

556

Thread Tools

Search this Thread

02-01-2017, 09:28 AM

#5551

Duesenflieger

Ich bin Pilot von Beruf

Joined APC: Aug 2016

Position: CRJ Kapitän

Posts: 616

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickair7777

It's because they have lives and families, and know where their priorities lay.

The job fair paradigm may be just a creative filter to allow age discrimination.

Why would they be age discriminating, though? A forty-year old pilot will accrue much less from long-term payscale and benefits than a twenty-five year old.... It would make sense to prefer to hire the older person rather than the younger one from a labor cost viewpoint.

02-01-2017, 09:30 AM

#5552

N1234

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Oct 2015

Posts: 472

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duesenflieger

I can't speak for all captains at other bases, but where I am based, I am finding those over 40 years old refuse to volunteer or partake in company extracurriculars or attend job fairs. I'm not making that up either because I ask each one of them whether they do those things after they tell me that no one will hire them. It's always the same, "I won't beg for a job." To be VERY FAIR, it is very hard to do all of these things and takes a lot of determination, spending of one's income and so on. Many of them haven't published their apps in their ten year tenure as a commercial pilot, or update only every three months. No wonder that they can't move on....

Hey - more power to you... if you can break the mold. But the further you get in life there more competing priorities come to play - specifically once you have a family.

02-01-2017, 09:30 AM

#5553

ClickClickBoom

MK Ultra Candidate

Thread Starter

Joined APC: Feb 2013

Position: Prime Leader of Boko Harumph

Posts: 1,167

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bravix

That's actually a bit less than I make instructing...but not by much. Been looking at SkyWest, the wages are the only thing causing me hesitation.

Pay can be infinitely variable, get hired during a shortage, you will fly until dizzy. Get hired when a slow period occurs, you will have a flat butt from sitting on it, and a flatter wallet from base guarantee. The most realistic method is to take base hourly wage x times guarantee=minumum possible pay. Every airline has these periods and to think that you will have the same experience as someone else is iffy. Every regional is just a contract burp away from a boom or bust block hour wise. My first 15 years in the biz a 24 hour 4 day was the mythical schedule unicorn, today, if you are senior enough they are the norm.
YMMV

02-01-2017, 09:43 AM

#5554

Squallrider

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Jul 2013

Position: 175 CA

Posts: 1,544

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bravix

That's actually a bit less than I make instructing...but not by much. Been looking at SkyWest, the wages are the only thing causing me hesitation. Did the whole cadet thing even. But I really don't look forward to a pay cut.

Just curious, when you say averaging 88, is that your actual flight or credit? Looking at the numbers, I don't see how 88 credit would be getting you that money, unless per diem is really adding that much, and you're also including bonuses? (Which would lead to my next question, how substantial are the bonuses?)

Probably credit 88. Per diem does add a lot, $1.85 a hour for all time away from base is around $150 tax free, so about 600 a month.

As to LIFERs, I never understood it really but you will once you have kids, start making 100k plus and have a good schedule. Some people are lost generation, some don't have time to go to job fairs, on my days off it's about the kids out of necessity. I'm not a lifer by any means but I don't have free time for job fairs nor do I want a pay cut going to mainline first year.

Every airline is made up of pilots with different wants and needs, one group can't understand the other if you haven't been in that group. SkyWest is probably the best place to be a lifer at a regional if that's your choice.

02-01-2017, 11:50 AM

#5555

elmetal

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Dec 2009

Posts: 1,464

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squallrider

nor do I want a pay cut going to mainline first year.

This thinking is toxic. You'd rather not take a ONE year paycut for literally the remainder of your career having pay much MUCH higher than now?

02-01-2017, 12:06 PM

#5556

RedBeardedPilot

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Aug 2015

Posts: 106

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bravix

Yeah that is including per diem. I pretty much did 4 day trips. Had a few displacement pay trips and them picked up extra trips. Nothing special and never over worked. That 88 hours is credit not blocked. I did about 780 hours of flying. Typical month was about $600 in per diem. Summer months were min days off 4 on 2 off kind of thing. Last 5 months been doing 4 on 3 off with sometimes a few 4 days off and maybe just a couple 2 day weekends thrown in there. I didn't have any bonuses paid. And realize your pay is only going to be increasing. Upgrade around 2 ish years you will almost double your income. Don't just stay instructing because you want to work your butt off for 45k and don't want to side step for a year.

02-01-2017, 12:38 PM

#5557

ClickClickBoom

MK Ultra Candidate

Thread Starter

Joined APC: Feb 2013

Position: Prime Leader of Boko Harumph

Posts: 1,167

Quote:

Originally Posted by elmetal

This thinking is toxic. You'd rather not take a ONE year paycut for literally the remainder of your career having pay much MUCH higher than now?

Yeah, because a guy with a family, mortgage and a couple car payments is nervous about going from well above the middle of a seniority list to the bottom of another list. What is toxic, is someone deciding that what another does is wrong or poorly thought out. I personally know a UAL guy who was furloughed twice in short succession. Everybody has their reasons for their career choices.