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Old 05-14-2017, 06:57 AM
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I have plenty of friends at these other carriers, and I'm well aware of the garbage. appreciate the message though sometimes we lose sight of the goal.


Oh and just a minor correction, the part about days off is detrimental to selling skw ppm, as 11 days off is not only ok, it's the norm for the bottom lineholders in ord/msp/dtw

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Old 05-14-2017, 08:17 AM
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I never understood the rationale behind user time increasing with years of service. Do years of service have anything to do with how much someone is sick, has a family emergency, or misses a commute?

Vacation time is obviously a different animal all together. Vacation time accrual rate rightly does increase with years of service.
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Old 05-14-2017, 08:19 AM
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That's the way we've always done it.

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Old 05-14-2017, 08:45 AM
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How much vacation did you use Simpsons? That schedule is 27+ hour 4 days and 21+ hour 3 days. (Or some 8 hour locals in there)

Not that I doubt you, it used to be possible in Denver a few years ago, but there's just not that kind of good pairings in crj anymore. Few and far between

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I guess I was wrong, I had an 8 day stretch with 15 days off for the month. One of the trips was with a check airman so I got displaced and ended up with 18
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Old 05-14-2017, 08:52 AM
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Yeah....... No it's a serious question smart guy. Can anyone with the maturity level of an adult please answer my question? Thank you.

I have been at OO a couple months shy of two years, currently about 40% in a west coast base. I have no problem getting five day+ blocks, some weekends if I want them included. This month I have six days off with Memorial Day weekend in the middle. Started the month with a five day block.

It's a good life, can't complain-it's just how you bid.


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Old 05-14-2017, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by hotbreeze View Post
I see the 100th 175 (Delta Connection) was delivered to Boise. Also, we have already delivered our last of 12 175s for 2017 to United according to their website.

Any one know how many more 175s are coming online this year and for which partners and where they will be based?
They were all supposed to be here by June except for one that is coming in December I think. No more confirmed deliveries at this point.

We are getting more 200s though. Sounds like they'll be based in DTW and flying there and ATL.
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Old 05-14-2017, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Cazadores View Post
I have been at OO a couple months shy of two years, currently about 40% in a west coast base. I have no problem getting five day+ blocks, some weekends if I want them included. This month I have six days off with Memorial Day weekend in the middle. Started the month with a five day block.

It's a good life, can't complain-it's just how you bid.


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k. you're a bid king.

You'll see on a bad month or a short staffed month that it doesn't matter what you bid. you're working what they say, and when someone junior to you gets that 30 hr HLN or that 28 hour 4 day that you wanted with absolutely no reason why you didn't get it, you'll understand.

oh and for whoever mentioned usertime, we accrue at the same exact rate as any other company employee. Which sounds nice and fair you say yeah? Except we accrue based on credit hours, meanwhile CS and any other HQ person gets it for 40 hours a week, not 90 a month
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k. you're a bid king.



You'll see on a bad month or a short staffed month that it doesn't matter what you bid. you're working what they say, and when someone junior to you gets that 30 hr HLN or that 28 hour 4 day that you wanted with absolutely no reason why you didn't get it, you'll understand.



oh and for whoever mentioned usertime, we accrue at the same exact rate as any other company employee. Which sounds nice and fair you say yeah? Except we accrue based on credit hours, meanwhile CS and any other HQ person gets it for 40 hours a week, not 90 a month


No argument-we should tell our reps we want improvement in our next contract..........


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Old 05-14-2017, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by elmetal View Post
k. you're a bid king.

You'll see on a bad month or a short staffed month that it doesn't matter what you bid. you're working what they say, and when someone junior to you gets that 30 hr HLN or that 28 hour 4 day that you wanted with absolutely no reason why you didn't get it, you'll understand.

oh and for whoever mentioned usertime, we accrue at the same exact rate as any other company employee. Which sounds nice and fair you say yeah? Except we accrue based on credit hours, meanwhile CS and any other HQ person gets it for 40 hours a week, not 90 a month
How many days off does a 40/week laborer get? Lets say they work M-F every week, its roughly 8 days a month. Crew support is also being paid less than a first officer to deal with a job that nobody really wants. So even accruing user time faster does not mean they are getting more time away from work.

Since you said bottom line holders get 11 days off in DTW, compared to a M-F 40 hour laborer, they still get 36 more days off per year. Over a month more time away from work over the course of a year.

Plus pilots have the option to drop trips. Sometimes that isn't going to work out, but I am pretty sure crew support can't say, yeah I will just try dropping these days. And I am pretty sure that crew support does not get displaced for IOE.

I have bad news for you. Life ain't fair.
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Originally Posted by elmetal View Post
k. you're a bid king.

You'll see on a bad month or a short staffed month that it doesn't matter what you bid. you're working what they say, and when someone junior to you gets that 30 hr HLN or that 28 hour 4 day that you wanted with absolutely no reason why you didn't get it, you'll understand.

oh and for whoever mentioned usertime, we accrue at the same exact rate as any other company employee. Which sounds nice and fair you say yeah? Except we accrue based on credit hours, meanwhile CS and any other HQ person gets it for 40 hours a week, not 90 a month
That has been my argument since I started here, but no one seems to care. The accrual is crap and that goes for the retirement. I was given the same excuse when asked about the company match and getting someone besides the notorious Wells Fargo. They give me the "we are grouped with all other employees". That seems right
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