Skywest v2.0
06-07-2017 | 09:51 AM
#7601
Line Holder
Joined: Dec 2015
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My old students who are now instructing say the exact same thing. And they are SLC area peeps who are now looking at Envoy or somewhere else. Man cannot live on reputation alone.
06-07-2017 | 11:02 AM
#7602
On Reserve
Joined: Jun 2016
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If you're really considering Envoy, have a chat with someone that has been there a few years. Envoy pilots have arguably the worst relationship with management compared to any pilot group right now. Look at the volatility of their bases and how they're treated by management. Do you really think AA will honor these flows when it destroys their regional feed? Just take a look at history.
Secondly - the number of retirements over the next 2-3 years is staggering. Virtually everyone that wants a job at a major without any major issues on their application will have one. Why would you "hope to flow" in 6 years when there are endless opportunities on the horizon?
Secondly - the number of retirements over the next 2-3 years is staggering. Virtually everyone that wants a job at a major without any major issues on their application will have one. Why would you "hope to flow" in 6 years when there are endless opportunities on the horizon?
06-07-2017 | 11:25 AM
#7603
Ich bin Pilot von Beruf
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 615
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From: CRJ Kapitän
Are you saying that everyone who wants to move on, can in two to three years? Because that is completely untrue. Legacy jobs will always be competitive, and one little tiny hiccup in the economy will reverse the demand for pilots at mainline. The retirements are big, but they span a timeframe composed of twenty years.... Not all of us will be winners.
06-07-2017 | 11:37 AM
#7604
On Reserve
Joined: Jun 2016
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Are you saying that everyone who wants to move on, can in two to three years? Because that is completely untrue. Legacy jobs will always be competitive, and one little tiny hiccup in the economy will reverse the demand for pilots at mainline. The retirements are big, but they span a timeframe composed of twenty years.... Not all of us will be winners.
06-07-2017 | 01:45 PM
#7605
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Mar 2011
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From: 737 FO
I'm an Army pilot that will be leaving active service in a little more than a year for the airlines. Case-in-point, I was and still am attracted to SkyWest because of their reputation and the fact that they seem like they're one of the few regionals that have a future in the industry.
However, reputation, base options, and owning your own airplanes can only get you so far in this hiring environment when you've got companies like Endeavor, Envoy, PSA, and Piedmont all making compelling options. I can make roughly twice as much income my first two years at one of the wholly-owned carriers to ease the pay cut of leaving the military and ease the burden of first officer pay scales. Plus, a company like PSA has SAP as a line holder meaning preferential scheduling; my friends at SkyWest keep telling me how they're maxed out. Even though the airlines with flow-through agreements are more or less a gimmick in my book, it's still an insurance policy that tips the already unbalanced scales even further away from SkyWest. Right now, it's a no-brainer move for my family.
I'm hoping SkyWest can offer more incentives to attract more pilots, but a differential pay of ~$40,000+ over two years by going elsewhere is a deal breaker.
However, reputation, base options, and owning your own airplanes can only get you so far in this hiring environment when you've got companies like Endeavor, Envoy, PSA, and Piedmont all making compelling options. I can make roughly twice as much income my first two years at one of the wholly-owned carriers to ease the pay cut of leaving the military and ease the burden of first officer pay scales. Plus, a company like PSA has SAP as a line holder meaning preferential scheduling; my friends at SkyWest keep telling me how they're maxed out. Even though the airlines with flow-through agreements are more or less a gimmick in my book, it's still an insurance policy that tips the already unbalanced scales even further away from SkyWest. Right now, it's a no-brainer move for my family.
I'm hoping SkyWest can offer more incentives to attract more pilots, but a differential pay of ~$40,000+ over two years by going elsewhere is a deal breaker.
06-07-2017 | 04:31 PM
#7606
Ich bin Pilot von Beruf
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 615
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From: CRJ Kapitän
I can personally tell you from my perspective (tons of friends still in flight school, finishing up hours instructing, etc) that SkyWest is starting to lose its draw. Everyone is flooding to Envoy for the bonuses and flow. Yes we're filling classes now but at this rate that's gonna start trickling down.
06-07-2017 | 04:41 PM
#7607
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 1,606
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From: LAX ER
Funny how just a few pages back I essentially made this same point about a pending retention problem if they don't make some changes. AND GOT HAMMERED FOR IT. My class of new FO's was looking at their minimum wage pay check while sitting reserve in ORD, away from home, in a bucket +24 over (i.e your never gonna get called), with Crew Support unwilling to let them sit reserve in LAX/SFO/SEA with -reserves. So lets see, minimum wage, not flying (i.e. not making any progress towards getting out of here), and sitting away from home with NO reason to be doing so. The word will get out eventually.
Sorry bud, try again. If you wanted a line and to do the grind you'd be in Detroit right now on the CRJ flying 90hrs a month just like the rest of the guys on the grind. You just came into here with your entitlement saying you wanna go to Horizon. Good luck with your upgrade times. Let me just warn you to DO YOUR RESEARCH.
Otherwise you will get hammered....again.
And minimum wage? Jesus man. Seriously?
06-07-2017 | 05:40 PM
#7608
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 44,905
Likes: 691
From: Engines Turn or People Swim
I'm an Army pilot that will be leaving active service in a little more than a year for the airlines. Case-in-point, I was and still am attracted to SkyWest because of their reputation and the fact that they seem like they're one of the few regionals that have a future in the industry.
However, reputation, base options, and owning your own airplanes can only get you so far in this hiring environment when you've got companies like Endeavor, Envoy, PSA, and Piedmont all making compelling options. I can make roughly twice as much income my first two years at one of the wholly-owned carriers to ease the pay cut of leaving the military and ease the burden of first officer pay scales. Plus, a company like PSA has SAP as a line holder meaning preferential scheduling; my friends at SkyWest keep telling me how they're maxed out. Even though the airlines with flow-through agreements are more or less a gimmick in my book, it's still an insurance policy that tips the already unbalanced scales even further away from SkyWest. Right now, it's a no-brainer move for my family.
I'm hoping SkyWest can offer more incentives to attract more pilots, but a differential pay of ~$40,000+ over two years by going elsewhere is a deal breaker.
However, reputation, base options, and owning your own airplanes can only get you so far in this hiring environment when you've got companies like Endeavor, Envoy, PSA, and Piedmont all making compelling options. I can make roughly twice as much income my first two years at one of the wholly-owned carriers to ease the pay cut of leaving the military and ease the burden of first officer pay scales. Plus, a company like PSA has SAP as a line holder meaning preferential scheduling; my friends at SkyWest keep telling me how they're maxed out. Even though the airlines with flow-through agreements are more or less a gimmick in my book, it's still an insurance policy that tips the already unbalanced scales even further away from SkyWest. Right now, it's a no-brainer move for my family.
I'm hoping SkyWest can offer more incentives to attract more pilots, but a differential pay of ~$40,000+ over two years by going elsewhere is a deal breaker.
06-07-2017 | 06:39 PM
#7609
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 1,111
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If you're really considering Envoy, have a chat with someone that has been there a few years. Envoy pilots have arguably the worst relationship with management compared to any pilot group right now. Look at the volatility of their bases and how they're treated by management.
Having a good relationship with management doesn't pay the bills. Money in your pocket does.
06-08-2017 | 04:48 AM
#7610
On Reserve
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 20
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Remember a few years back when SkyWest offered raises and at the same time AA was still shoving concessions down Eagle's throats? When Eagle voted no PSA took a ton of their flying and what did management do? Closed a bunch of their bases and gave away their flying. Nobody upgraded and people went back on reserve, had to commute, etc. And these are the people you want to trust with your paycheck? Yeah, maybe history won't repeat itself for the 10th time. Just maybe.
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