Here's a brief history lesson of "money paying the bills" at Envoy.

Early 2011 - American Eagle is taking delivery of 27 CRJ 700s. New hires are totaling 40-50 per month.
Aug 2011 - Captain upgrade time drops from almost 10 years in 2010 to 4. If everything stayed the same, it would drop to around 3 in just under a year.
Sep 2011 - American Eagle has over 3400 pilots on its seniority list.
Oct 2011 - AMR files for bankruptcy. Hiring immediately stops and 76 new hires are furloughed.
Apr 2012 - American Eagle closes SJU base.
May 2012 – American Eagle pilots begin bankruptcy negotiations for a new concessionary contract that would include a new sweet fleet plan.
Aug 2012 - AA and US Airways begin talks
Sep 2012 - American Eagle closes LAX base
Sep 2012 - SkyWest given contract to operate 23 CRJ-200s out of LAX
Oct 2012 – American Eagle pilots approve concessionary bankruptcy contract with the sweet fleet plan language removed and changed to a gentleman’s agreement
Nov 2012 – 3,141 pilots on envoy seniority list
Jan 2013 - Republic granted 47 EMB 175s with an additional 47 options. Envoy pilots receive 0 aircraft in exchange for their bankruptcy concessions
Feb 2013 - AA and US Airways begin formal merger
Feb 2013 - ExpresJet begins operating CRJs from DFW
May 2013 - 2,994 pilots on American Eagle seniority list
July 2013 - Pedro Fabregas appointed president of American Eagle
July 2013 – American Eagle’s pilot union rejects a B-Scale proposal as directed by ALPA policy. Management specifically references Endeavor's lower costs as the reason for additional concession (See Jan 2015)
Sep 2013 - Pilots at PSA, supported by ALPA, approve industry bottom contract that includes a B-Scale to ensure they receive American Eagle aircraft
Dec 2013 - AA and US Airways merge and American Airlines exits bankruptcy
Dec 2013 - AA orders 30 CRJ 900 for PSA with option for 40 more
Dec 2013 - AA orders 60 EMB 175s with options for 90 more. These orders are then used to threaten American Eagle pilots
Dec 2013 – Just 10 days after exiting bankruptcy management returns for additional concessions to honor the sweet fleet plan.
Dec 2013 – 2,778 pilots on American Eagle seniority list
Jan 2014 - American Eagle renamed envoy air
Mar 2014 - (12:00) envoy pilots reject a second attempt at another concessionary contract
Mar 2014 - (12:02) envoy pilots notified that they would not fly Chautauqua ORD flying when ORD VP drags new SkyWest jet out and parks it in front of ORD crew room
Apr 2014 -2,604 pilots on envoy seniority list
May 2014 - Under armed guard PSA’s new CRJ 900 is unveiled……in DFW
May 2014 - Mesa awarded 6 CRJ-900’s without concessionary demands
Jun 2014 - Compass awarded 20 EMB 175s without concessionary demands
Sep 2014 - envoy pilots notified that AA will transfer all 47 of its CRJ 700s to PSA
Oct 2014 - envoy begins to close MIA crew base
Nov 2014 - Mesa begins DFW operations and will become the largest operator of regional jets in DFW
Nov 2014 - envoy pilots notified that 50 jets will be transferred from envoy airlines to help solve staffing. 20 to Piedmont, 15 to TSA and 15 to ExpressJet. Oddly, this move backfires and attrition sky rockets
Dec 2014 - (12:00 PM) envoy pilots accept concessionary contract with the promise of 40 EMB 175s and 90 options.
Dec 2014 - (2:00 PM) AA awards employees 4% raises, not to include envoy pilots
Jan 2015 - 2,370 pilots on envoy seniority list
Jan 2015 - Endeavor pilots receive $80,000 retention bonus (See July 2013)
Feb 2015 - PSA given 24 additional CRJ-900 options, reducing envoy’s promised options by 24.
Feb 2015 - Mesa orders seven additional CRJ 900s, reducing envoy’s promised options by an additional 7. The agreement also includes an undisclosed number of options to purchase additional CRJ900 aircraft that would also reduce envoy’s promised options even further.
Feb 2015 - Flow through pilots are notified that the flow through has been temporarily stopped
Feb 2015 - envoy pilots notified that the company will close its NY EMB base with the CRJ base to follow.
Feb 2015 - Compass begins flying EMB-175s from American Eagle's old LAX base

Since then Envoy has given away more flying, much of which has gone to SkyWest.


***Giving credit where it's due. I found this information here:

The American Eagle Story - the later years

 

Since 2015, 2 years ago, they have reopened MIA and NYC and the flow remains strong.

 

I'm really not interested in turning this into an Envoy thread. Bottom line - management there has reneged on their promises time and time again. If you have an understanding of AA history and still believe this time will be any different you're a fool.

 

But you did turn it into an Envoy smear thread by giving an incomplete history in an attempt to make Skywest look better.

You have oversimplified a very complex situation that occurred with several different management teams over a bankruptcy and a merger and one that has changed significantly since your timeline ended. You are also completely ignoring market forces and a clear AA staffing model.

 

If your going to look at Envoy. Look back at 1997. Sign this 16 year contract or no jets and no flow through!!! That was drama!!

 

I would use caution with anything these "new players" with only a handful of posts have to say in this thread. Strange how everyone shows up when a pay package needs to be moved on?

 

invalidpairing is not wrong though. The way AA and flowthroughs with Eagle (Envoy) has had a rocky relationship. Sure, now is probably a good time to go and hopefully for the foreseeable future, but the fact that Envoy and the others were whollyowned was a reason I didn't apply to those places. I came from Comair, where "being owned by Delta means everything." It's exactly why I chose Skywest back in 2011 when I found out I needed to start over. But 2011 was a different time. Now, if I was looking at regionals, I'd probably seriously consider one of the AA WO.

 

Agreed completely. They are many positives and be just as many negatives... And that goes for contract carriers as well.

 

This happens evertime. The reason they sapa mentions social media in the lates email Q&A...

 

Nope, not what I said. lighten up taco bowl.

This 00 aside. For you new ERJ FO's out there sitting in a reserve bucket of +20 over min in ORD. I have had success convincing Crew Support to do the reasonable thing and allow me to sit reserve out of domicile since in my case it proved beneficial to them. Come armed with the numbers if they are in your favor. This has allowed me to fly my arse off so far in June. I got launched off of reserve a few times (because they actually need reserves here) and I have picked up trips on most of my days off. So if your goal is to fly as much as possible, just asking has proven beneficial for me for the month of June. The worst they can do is say no. Hopefully the heard in ORD gets thinned out soon with new bases opening.