Originally Posted by MoovenUP

Yes sir, it was optional if outside the trip footprint. Not optional within the trip footprint but had hours attached to reflow. PER DAY. So if you were reflowed (also pay protected) from a 20 hour 4 day onto a 10 hour 4 day excursion within your original pairing footprint, you would get 1 hour per day for the reflow plus pay protected. So instead of working for 20 you would get 24 for working 10. And there was an extra two hours per day if outside your daily footprint, also not optional. But a reflow outside of trip footprint was optional with additional 3 hours.

Originally Posted by SqueeG

I gotta say, this new thread is doing a great job of convincing me not to go to SKW.

Originally Posted by SqueeG

I gotta say, this new thread is doing a great job of convincing me not to go to SKW.

Originally Posted by SqueeG

I gotta say, this new thread is doing a great job of convincing me not to go to SKW.

Originally Posted by WesternSkies

A ten hour four day? At least use MDG of 4.2.
16.8 4 day instead of a 20 which may not have
:efficiency you bid
ver night you bid
: non international
:quick turns
:an airplane you didn't bid
:with a person you bid avoid
:six legs to mke you didn't bid

I could go on.
But you sir are selling something and it isn't the respect of seniority with your ridiculous 10 hour four day example.

In the game of moving airplanes we are a very cheap and minor relative cost. Dropping an extra three hours of fo pay means nothing to company if it gets the flight done. They are asking for it, they want it, they will gladly pay three hours for thousands of potential reserves.

I'd like to say we pilots should work together on this, but I think the best advice is to put yout effort on applications to the "big show". (If you don't have personal reasons to stay)

Originally Posted by Jvw700

I would conference the CP on that call and if they still won't do it then file an ASAP. Don't forget to advise them that you'll be filing one....

Originally Posted by disillusioned

So I just looked at the call notes and everywhere on our wonderful SAPA site, but failed to see that mentioned anywhere. I'm sorry but since we are an airline and we have to fly planes, we can't all be on these amazing calls. The ones I have attended have actually frustrated me enough that I make little effort to attend. When SAPA has precious little time with top management at SW and we spend that time talking about what cool guns everyone has (as admitted by RJ during one of the calls) it helps me understand why there are so many pro-company proposals being passed.

And now our former president just mentioned that SAPA passed a reflow policy and one that allows pilots not on our seniority list to fly 91 operations. Was anyone on the call and did SAPA mention this? Since the last SAPA meeting notes were from October (and those are only there because MP made a point to get them out there) there is no way for us to know what our "representatives" are voting for and if they align with our interests.

The longer we go without recalling our leadership, the more we are going to give up and have to fight to get back down the road. If they have passed any type of reflow without letting the pilots see it, we will be in bad shape. I wonder if the rush is to get something in place before the block hours increase for the summer? How nice will it be to get awarded 90 + hours and reflowed another 10 or so during the month.