Not just keep up with attrition, but also grow by 500 or so. There were rumors last year of a 5000 pilot seniority list and it looks like that is in fact what we'll be shooting for.

To get to 5000 they will have to hire 1000 pilots.. every month attrition runs 40-70 right now..

And united isn’t even hiring at the moment

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There is a minimum guaranteed distribution of $12 million a year for 4 years? This doesn't require a profit? Is it shared equally by every pilot on property, however many that may be when it's distributed? Is there a way to quantify this into an exact pay rate increase? For example, with endeavor's $20,000 bonus converted to pay rate increase (assuming 75 hours per month), equates to an increase of $22.22 pay rate increase. In other words, is there a way for you to count on X amount in your pocket with this PPS as pay rates are?


Management agreed to convert temporary bonuses into contractual hourly pay increases for many years into the future. That has to speak for the sustainability. And if it isn't, management will come back to the pilots. But the pilots will be an a better negotiating position than if they told management that the raises they want to give them may not be sustainable. Is this the conversation you would have?

Thats whybit went from 70 in August to 40 for September....

What are the staffing levels on the 175? 5 pilots per aircraft?

5*45=225 pilots added to the list of 4470 today.

I've noticed the list makes incremental gains by about 40 a month despite hiring over 100 pilots a month.

It's going to take a lot of hiring to properly staff the new 175s. Provided they all are delivered in 2018 of course.


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Time will tell if they are sustainable. United and Delta has great contracts back in 2000. Comair had a great contract after their strike. Expressjet had a very nice contract. None were sustainable. I'm glad to see Endeavor's bonuses made permanent. Only when SkyWest can't meet it's staffing targets will we see our compensation go up. If hiring falls short, they will be talking to us next year, not in four years.

The short timespan between the passage of our laughably woeful TA and Endeavor's is no inconsequential coincidence. SkyWest management knew that the incorporation of the bonuses into Endeavor's regular pay scale was about to be introduced. In an effort to hamper Endeavor's TA from influencing any eventual resistance, both SAPA and management (the two are the same after all, for SAPA can't be trusted to carry out the bidding of the pilots which they claim--deceptively--to represent) colluded to lock down any bargaining advantage that we might have gained from the introduction of Endeavor's TA, initiating a campaign of propaganda which most of us found ridiculous. They very well could, and would have been offering more, had we negotiated hard to secure more for ourselves. It is astounding that SKYW pilots hurt themselves by siding with management's and SAPA's propaganda. There is a lesson hereby in simple business negotiation that ought to be examined by all SKYW pilots who desire to get more for the future prosperity of their families. *Cue typical yes-voter response that we would be bankrupt, despite that 45 ERJs were just purchased and the company is raking in $30 - $50 million profits per quarter*

Apparently not

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Neither of those regional airlines' demise was because of their contract sustainability though. And what caused united, delta, northwest, us airways to go into bankruptcy after 911 would probably force everyone to restructure now if it happened again. But no one negotiates with infinite what if scenarios. The pilots' negotiators try to get a fair deal while management tries to keep their cost low. So yeah, time will tell. But it won't be sustainable only if there is another 911 or other tangential circumstances come up as they did with the two regionals you mentioned. In the meantime, you take the higher pay rates until or if they become unsustainable. At that point you have money in your pocket while management is in a less ideal position to negotiate from.

By the way, the only item that is worse on the xjt contract from way back then is the 7% pay cut, which some of has been restored. And now there is magically a profitable CPA.