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04-25-2016 | 09:25 AM
#911
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My solution to this is eliminate longevity and use a flat payscale. No raise just for hanging around longer. But the upside is the industry/market economy would have little incentive to replace pilot groups just because they've been around for a while.
This would work for majors as well as regionals...too many LCC startups are thriving because they get to pay all of their labor at the bottom of the scale starting out. That's an artificial advantage.
The new scale would be set based on where people currently on that scale sit...ie junior narrowbody might use year 4 scale, senior widebody might be year 12 since almost everybody on the fleet is already 12+ years in.
Longevity could still count for things like increased vacation accrual...a little reward for sticking around but enough to create a big competitive gap with new-hire.
Seniority would still apply for bidding equipment, upgrade, schedules, vacation, etc.
The trick with this is the implementation...anybody who is already above the average would not want to take a paycut so labor would have to force this kind of structural change at a time when the airlines could afford to grandfather senior people on their current hourly rate. Hmmm...now might be a good time for that.
This would work for majors as well as regionals...too many LCC startups are thriving because they get to pay all of their labor at the bottom of the scale starting out. That's an artificial advantage.
The new scale would be set based on where people currently on that scale sit...ie junior narrowbody might use year 4 scale, senior widebody might be year 12 since almost everybody on the fleet is already 12+ years in.
Longevity could still count for things like increased vacation accrual...a little reward for sticking around but enough to create a big competitive gap with new-hire.
Seniority would still apply for bidding equipment, upgrade, schedules, vacation, etc.
The trick with this is the implementation...anybody who is already above the average would not want to take a paycut so labor would have to force this kind of structural change at a time when the airlines could afford to grandfather senior people on their current hourly rate. Hmmm...now might be a good time for that.
This is necessary but not sufficient. Clearly a step in the right direction. But seniority overall is at fault. Pay rates are misleading. Your QoL is so much driven by what trips you can hold etc. So your $/hr away or on the job vary drastically - and this is much more a function of trip quality rather than longevity pay.
04-25-2016 | 09:37 AM
#912
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
This is necessary but not sufficient. Clearly a step in the right direction. But seniority overall is at fault. Pay rates are misleading. Your QoL is so much driven by what trips you can hold etc. So your $/hr away or on the job vary drastically - and this is much more a function of trip quality rather than longevity pay.
My suggestion would level the playing field across the industry (if implemented industry wide) taking labor more or less out of the competitive equation and hopefully creating career stability which is probably beneficial in a safety-sensitive job. Firefighters are not usually asked to take a pay cut or risk being replaced by another, cheaper fire-house.
04-25-2016 | 10:22 AM
#913
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Not exactly true, Moffett Federal Airfield went from govt firefighters to contract lesser paid contract companies, not to mention the private prison industries, privatization of FAA towers, ect.
04-25-2016 | 11:08 AM
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04-25-2016 | 12:22 PM
#915
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From: Lots
NAI will result in new pay scales around soon anyway. It's amazing to see the guys on SAPA forums not seeing what the problem is and thinking they won't be affected.
04-25-2016 | 06:34 PM
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I'm a big fan of ditching the "pay ya later"scheme....oh we are bankrupt.
Pilot costs should be relatively stable and a salary does that. I would add though that longevity should reduce your min required hours of flying a month.
Pilot costs should be relatively stable and a salary does that. I would add though that longevity should reduce your min required hours of flying a month.
04-26-2016 | 05:52 AM
#919
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Found out I have a funeral to go to next week and its during the 1st day of my trip. There is a trip in open time that would start the next day but it is a restricted pairing. Is it even possible to get crew support to swap me into it? I don't want to have to call in and skip the first day.
04-26-2016 | 05:55 AM
#920
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You won't know if you don't call. Try calling some friends and seeing if someone can pick up part of your trip or trade.
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