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Maybe if SkyWest offered better pay and career advancement then people wouldn’t bail left and right for other higher paying Regionals that atleast offer guaranteed interviews or flow.... just sayin....

Look at how much flying SkyWest does over any other regional and tell me how you guys aren’t the highest paid regional pilots? You guys literally bend over for your manegment for Little pay raises just so you can fly more jets and make your CEO more money without him giving any back to y’all. Even if SkyWest is a stepping stone there is NO reason you should be ok with bare minimum pay for what we do as a profession. No excuse whatsoever. We all together as pilots deserve atleast respectable pay even while building our time in this industry towards the majors and now SkyWest is on its way to the bottom once again. Sure be upset with what I’m saying but at the end of the day you’re ok with subpar wages just so you can continue flying more and more jets so you can build time and move on and that’s wrong. We should all be in this together making pay and QOL better for everyone else below us that comes into the airline industry.

So where else can an inexperienced, 1500 hour (25 hour multiengine) pilot, straight out of flight instructing in 172s go straight into jets, receive a type rating at company cost, get paid in training, and make close to $45-50 their first year, with the chance of upgrading to captain in a year or two? NOWHERE! I've flown part 91 and 135 jobs before coming here and trust me....people coming here to get experience aren't getting screwed. Most other companies don't pay quarterly bonuses either. Don't believe me....fine. Quit and go fly freight. Better yet, try to get on flying a corporate Gulfstream or Falcon without 5,000 hours turbine pic.

MidnightHauler

11-22-2017 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by OregonAviator (Post 2470850)

Listen i get where you’re coming from I do. I’m just saying that we need to all support eachother as a whole and standup for better pay at the regional level like we all deserve. I’m not a SkyWest guy and I respect y’all a ton, I wish nothing but the best for you guys. I just want to see better pay and QOL improvements for us all in the regional industry while we’re all here even if it’s a short time. Sure new guys are taking advantage of it and don’t respect what has been done in the past for them to have an easier life now but theres no reason we can’t all be paid good wages while building our time here, atleast hear me out on that.

I'm not here to bash anyone, but all I hear complaining from is from new guys who haven't flown in any other area of aviation. They keep griping about QOL and low wages. They haven't looked around to see how crappy it is in other areas of this industry. We have it much better than even a few years ago. We're at a regional, not mainline. If Skywest decided to push much higher wages, we'd price ourselves right out of business like so many others have done before. Don't like the pay now? Then build your time and move on.

OregonAviator

11-22-2017 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MidnightHauler (Post 2470853)

I get what you’re saying but at the end of the day new hires only care about good pay and QOL. If a regional can’t offer bonuses, career advancement (flow/interviews/higher pay) then most new hires don’t care much. That’s just reality right now. I’m all for us all moving on to majors and making a career like we all originally planned on but the reality is that if SkyWest doesn’t atleast raise pay higher or offer career advancement, then SkyWest will be nothing more than another Mesa and I’m not saying that out of disrespect. That’s just the reality of today’s market of pilots and if it continues this way SkyWest could be in for a rude Awakening in regards to a shortage as well. My regional isn’t any better right now and I’m putting in my time as well so I can move on up but I’m just stating what newhires are in search of.

MidnightHauler

11-22-2017 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OregonAviator (Post 2470855)

Many new hires are coming right out of expensive flight programs and haven't held any real world flying jobs before getting the opportunity to come here, get typed, and fly a jet. Simply put, they don't have a clue about the aviation industry or how it works. I'm sorry, but reality is that the majority of experienced pilots current flying worked their tails off, sacrificed, worked different jobs, moved, did whatever it took to build thousands of hours of multi engine time to even get considered for an interview. And that was even for regionals! I understand we're all past that now and in some ways, that's good.
However, I still get sick and tired of whiners who haven't had any other flying jobs come on here and complain that they're not being "paid enough" or have a *********y QOL because they're required to do the job that THEY ONCE APPLIED for and wanted to do. The company is giving consistent flying, trips, and fairly quick upgrades to those that desired that. Yet, they think they have it so rough. Here's an idea, if they hate it, then freakin' quit! Go dig ditches or work in a crappy cubicle for 80 hours a week.

MidnightHauler

11-22-2017 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OregonAviator (Post 2470855)

Skywest offers $7500 bonuses for prior 121 or 135 experience. I got one when I switch over to the airline world.
They give quarterly profit sharing and performance bonuses.
As far as career advancement and "flow", I can tell you that flying for Skywest looks good on your resume if you're applying for Delta, SWA, or United. They like Skywest pilots. Period. Expecting a guaranteed flow with anyone is complete crap. Do a good job, upgrade, be a good captain, take pride in your job, get good referances, and your "flow" will happen.

MidnightHauler

11-23-2017 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate (Post 2470863)

Holy crap, someone with a solid grasp of reality.

Hope people pay attention and listen to what you are saying.

I hope so too. After a 20 year military career and many flying jobs, I've had waaaay worse "QOL" conditions than Skywest.

RemoveB4Flight

11-23-2017 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MidnightHauler (Post 2470837)

So you're a restricted ATP, no previous flight experience, no type ratings on jets, got on 175s, and will probably upgrade with 1500 or less time with Skywest, and you're already b****ing about the job you have? This is the problem with today's regionals. Unappreciative a**hats who think they deserve everything right up front instead of focusing on getting their flight time and moving on. Go ahead, move over to Endeavor and fly CRJ-200s and get cut when Delta shuts their precious "wholly owned" entity down next year or two after the next economic downturn. Don't believe me? Fine, look at what they did with Comair and ASA. Oh, but wait, they pay BIG bonuses and just passed a big TA. Ok, and Daddy Delta doesn't care. Endeavor is still a regional and subcontractor at the mercy of ONE major carrier. Think about that for a minute. Whatever, if you're flying new 175s for Skywest and already hate being here, move on.

I would rather have an industry of professionals who refuse to work for crumbs and expect more pay and better QOL. That may just be what turns this industry around.
I’m actually a fan of this new mentality of expecting improvements or they are willing to leave for greener pastures.

RemoveB4Flight

11-23-2017 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MidnightHauler (Post 2470843)

Guess what, I've only been here a year and a half, but not complaining about what I have. I remember when it was tough to find a stable flying job. Go ahead, support the whiners and thumbsucking complainers about getting the opportunity to build time and experience at a regional before moving on.
I've flown in several other types of 91 and 135 operations. This is a breeze.

People like you that see the regionals as only “a place to build time before moving on” are exactly the reason for stagnant pay and deteriorating QOL.
You should take more pride in what you do and expect to be compensated fairly for it. You are an aviation professional and have the same high standard of responsibility as pilots at other airlines. Please stop selling yourself, your coworkers, and peers at other airlines short. Don’t cheapen the work they do as professionals.

wwood

11-23-2017 04:34 AM

What is the approximate amount you expect for the quarterly profit sharing and performance bonuses for the first few years and after upgrading to CA?

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