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Old 01-03-2018 | 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptSwift
But really, I’d take my 2 year FO pay bump, please. Thanks.
May want to temper your expectations. I wouldn’t put it past them to try to offer an increase to first year pay only.
We have a large percentage of people in their first year, many of which believe they will be on to a major before their second year. So if they throw a bunch of money at the new hires and make a bunch of fancy charts to fool the weak minded again and there’s a good chance it will pass.
Old 01-03-2018 | 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight
May want to temper your expectations. I wouldn’t put it past them to try to offer an increase to first year pay only.
We large percentage of people in their first year, many of which believe they will be on to a major before their second year. So if they throw a bunch of money at the new hires there’s a good chance it will pass.
Pretty sure that can raise first year pay unilaterally, without asking anyone.
Old 01-03-2018 | 07:20 AM
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Pretty sure that can raise first year pay unilaterally, without asking anyone.
This is incorrect. To raise first year pay, there needs to be a pilot wide vote.
Old 01-03-2018 | 07:36 AM
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To alleviate some of the confusion.
Old 01-03-2018 | 07:49 AM
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Thnk you.. glad they got rid of that!!!
Old 01-03-2018 | 07:51 AM
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Since when has policies, procedures, written agreements, ever stopped the company from doing what it feels it has to do?

No contract and at will employment, lets them do pretty much anything they damn well please?
Old 01-03-2018 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Complete
Since when has policies, procedures, written agreements, ever stopped the company from doing what it feels it has to do?

No contract and at will employment, lets them do pretty much anything they damn well please?
Screwing someone into an extra turn at the end of their trip, though I don’t condone it and it is very irritating, is not the same as rewriting pay scales without going through the proper channels.
If management wanted a union on property, there would be no quicker way.
Old 01-03-2018 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight
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To alleviate some of the confusion.
Sorry to bear bad news, but that says the company can do it with SAPAs concurrence.

That does not mean it won't happen, and does not mean the pilots get to vote on it.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Sorry to bear bad news, but that says the company can do it with SAPAs concurrence.

That does not mean it won't happen, and does not mean the pilots get to vote on it.
Huh? We must be reading different things.
What I read says SAPA general membership must vote in any pay changes.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Sorry to bear bad news, but that says the company can do it with SAPAs concurrence.

That does not mean it won't happen, and does not mean the pilots get to vote on it.
This was posed as a question multiple times to RC in various conference calls and the message was always the same - there needs to be a pilot wide vote.

Did he lie to us? Are there other back doors to get out of it? Maybe but that would be a major violation of trust.
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