Rates of Pay
02-03-2020, 09:25 PM
#52
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Originally Posted by MudhammedCJ
Comparing us to LCCs. We are doomed. You work for the most successful airline in the history of the world. But you just want better rates than Spirit and I guess Mesa. Unbelievable.
Yeah I want to be better paid than Spirit. And also JetBlue. Mesa is a garbage regional. I think our pay should be pretty much equal with the Big 3 but that’s got more to do with pattern bargaining and luck than anything else. I’d also rather have our scope than a fleet of 700 RJ’s and $5 more an hour in pay. YMMV
02-04-2020, 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by flyguy81
I flew with quite a few who said they’ve never voted yes and never would.
Also same people who said we’d never get a B-fund or 100% retro so I should quit and go elsewhere.
02-04-2020, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by SlipKid
With very few exceptions, every YES! voter that I've spoken to, in every vote we've given away, had barely skimmed over the language, if at all, before voting. I was able to swing a lot of votes by merely pointing out what the language actually said, vs. the SWAPAganda. The 2006 TA1 that got shot down in 2009 is a great example of the no voters educating (barely) enough to shoot down that absolute POS. Granted, TA 2 wasn't much better, but at least we're not ridden with almost twice the allowable "Hard won!" DTCs than we are currently enjoying, among other things.
Well, 1 out of 2 is better than we usually do. The YES! voters gave away 100% retro last time, before they even got to vote YES! on TA1.
Well, 1 out of 2 is better than we usually do. The YES! voters gave away 100% retro last time, before they even got to vote YES! on TA1.
02-04-2020, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Peacock
What exactly is your goal when you post the same chicken little post over and over again? Do you have one, or do you just like trolling?
Those that forget the past are doomed to repeat it. And "we", as a group, always forget...........
If you think that trying to educate you new guys about exactly why our contracts consistently lag those of our industry brethren is "trolling", then I guess it is.
Ignorance must truly be bliss.
02-04-2020, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by SlipKid
Chicken little?
Those that forget the past are doomed to repeat it. And "we", as a group, always forget...........
If you think that trying to educate you new guys about exactly why our contracts consistently lag those of our industry brethren is "trolling", then I guess it is.
Ignorance must truly be bliss.
Those that forget the past are doomed to repeat it. And "we", as a group, always forget...........
If you think that trying to educate you new guys about exactly why our contracts consistently lag those of our industry brethren is "trolling", then I guess it is.
Ignorance must truly be bliss.
02-04-2020, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SlipKid
Chicken little?
Those that forget the past are doomed to repeat it. And "we", as a group, always forget...........
If you think that trying to educate you new guys about exactly why our contracts consistently lag those of our industry brethren is "trolling", then I guess it is.
Ignorance must truly be bliss.
Those that forget the past are doomed to repeat it. And "we", as a group, always forget...........
If you think that trying to educate you new guys about exactly why our contracts consistently lag those of our industry brethren is "trolling", then I guess it is.
Ignorance must truly be bliss.
By the way, I don’t think it’s the new guys that need educating. This pilot group is vastly different than the one you (probably legitimately) complain about.
02-04-2020, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Peacock
Theres a big difference between educating and the histrionics you post here.
How about more educating and less *****ing.
Read and understand ALL of whatever it is you're about to vote YES! for, and not just the industry lagging pay rates.
I bet you change your mind once you realize what you're giving up to get them.
This isn’t the same pilot group as it was last contract, and conditions in the industry have changed too.
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