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Old 11-20-2020 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
I doubt most pilots have even considered this yet. I think we would hear a cascade of excuses and justifications and virtually no change in open time participation. And, unfortunately, SWAPA will be handcuffed and unable to openly advocate for it.

I’m sure lists will be curated and passed around after everyone is recalled, but all that will mean is a little more slam clicking and another nail in the faux culture.
I think paying guys on furlough a guarantee or something close to it via a SWAPA-wide assessment would probably be far more effective than trying to police open time and slam-clicking, also more unifying down the road.
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Old 11-20-2020 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski
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Judgmental Christian Alert!!!

Judge not, that ye not be judged ...
You seem both helpful and skilfull with union matters but you are clearly not a student of scripture or logic. I've dealt with hundreds of very ignorant but very vocal men that started their poor argumentation with those same foolish words. All ended up exposed as hypocritical men whose mouths outran their intellect. Surely, it would not be appreciated on this forum so I digress. If I were you (thankfully, I'm not), I would be aware of my limitations and stick with the things that I know.
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Old 11-20-2020 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Liberty
You seem both helpful and skilfull with union matters but you are clearly not a student of scripture or logic. I've dealt with hundreds of very ignorant but very vocal men that started their poor argumentation with those same foolish words. All ended up exposed as hypocritical men whose mouths outran their intellect. Surely, it would not be appreciated on this forum so I digress. If I were you (thankfully, I'm not), I would be aware of my limitations and stick with the things that I know.
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Old 11-20-2020 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Liberty
I've dealt with hundreds of very ignorant but very vocal men that started their poor argumentation with those same foolish words.
So literally “hundreds” of men have called you out for being too judgy?

I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say you might have a problem with being judgmental.
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Old 11-20-2020 | 12:58 PM
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Old 11-20-2020 | 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski
So literally “hundreds” of men have called you out for being too judgy?

I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say you might have a problem with being judgmental.
I was speaking of previous and proper debates. One sign that the opponent is discovering that he is ill equipped for the actual subject matter is when he retreats to the back up position of actively judging the other as being judgmental. Yeah, sounds silly but that's what men do, as you know. It sidesteps the subject matter but also sets up the takedown because the new subject is one of logic which they stumbled into in their haste and are normally also ill equipped for. It's actually sad to watch when you've seen it so many times. Either way, yes...I'm judgmental. Every man is. It's foolish to say otherwise.

It might do you well to go back and review how our interaction started. It surely wasn't me seeking you out. It was you coming in hot with a JUDGMENT. If you study that out hard enough... You'll discover the difference between being judgmental (me) and being hypocritically judgmental (you). If you are able to differentiate those terms, you'll be closer to understanding the verse that you repeated because you heard someone else repeat it who heard it from someone else and so on... Once you understand what it means....you won't say it anymore. . But that's if you want to grow in knowledge and understanding.
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Old 11-20-2020 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Liberty
I was speaking of previous and proper debates. One sign that the opponent is discovering that he is ill equipped for the actual subject matter is when he retreats to the back up position of actively judging the other as being judgmental. Yeah, sounds silly but that's what men do, as you know. It sidesteps the subject matter but also sets up the takedown because the new subject is one of logic which they stumbled into in their haste and are normally also ill equipped for. It's actually sad to watch when you've seen it so many times. Either way, yes...I'm judgmental. Every man is. It's foolish to say otherwise.

It might do you well to go back and review how our interaction started. It surely wasn't me seeking you out. It was you coming in hot with a JUDGMENT. If you study that out hard enough... You'll discover the difference between being judgmental (me) and being hypocritically judgmental (you). If you are able to differentiate those terms, you'll be closer to understanding the verse that you repeated because you heard someone else repeat it who heard it from someone else and so on... Once you understand what it means....you won't say it anymore. . But that's if you want to grow in knowledge and understanding.
so you have been in "hundreds" of "proper" debates? I'm impressed! BTW when I said "Jesus...", I was using it as a secular exclamation of astonishment at the remarks of the post I quoted.

Also you seem to be wound a little tight.
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Old 11-20-2020 | 02:39 PM
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Old 11-20-2020 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by navigatro
so you have been in "hundreds" of "proper" debates? I'm impressed! BTW when I said "Jesus...", I was using it as a secular exclamation of astonishment at the remarks of the post I quoted.

Also you seem to be wound a little tight.
You probably don't use "secular exclamations" that involve rainbow or hijab groups but I'm sure we both fully understand why. I attempted to make a snarky correction for ya but ended up falling in a ditch here. I'm accepting the wound tight observation and will correct it. I've chased a rabbit too far here.. I guess it's back to furlough talk.
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Old 11-20-2020 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Peacock
Yeah I have very little faith that open time behavior would change much. It’s a way of life for too many people.
I just started year 6. I've never credited less than 105/mo since I got off training. I would absolutely quit picking up extra if we had meat on the street.

And CK can go play in traffic. I'm tired of his sorry excuses. Shut up and send the letters already...or just shut up so we can do our damn job without all the extra stress.
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