Privateer89

Did anybody catch the part in the town hall when CK was asked why the company hasn’t been more receptive to another round of VSP/EXTO? Something along the lines of....we want all pilots ready and available as traffic returns, which they wouldn’t be if they were out on VSP/EXTO. So are they really willing to furlough before offering another round?

The words out of his mouth implied that they will need all pilots on the seniority list, but just want us to be cheaper. It was said again today, we can’t shrink to profitability....we need Revenue! We already have 20-25% out on some type of leave. We may be overstaffed now but in order for us to be profitable they need everybody. It seems as though a furlough is unrealistic. It is possible it would save some money, but at what expense? Risk the best positioned airline in the industry of missing out on the rebound because they are calling back bitter and disgruntled employees off of furlough by next summer. If it is done it would be to spite the unionized workgroups.

WHACKMASTER

Pay attention everyone because that right there tells you that they’re completely full of $7!t. EXTOs can be called back with a 30 day notice. Pretty much the same as furloughed people. If this doesn’t tell you that it’s an attempted money grab at our contract then I don’t know what will convince you.

Grumpyaviator

The difference is furloughs cost tens of thousands of dollars each between furlough pay, advanced vacation, relocation and if necessary, retraining.

ExTO is a is a minor inconvenience compared to furloughs, and that is something they’re not willing to do. They certainly don’t want to do furloughs. Exactly right, it’s just a money grab to try to impress shareholders.

ZapBrannigan

Don't forget displacements (with associated relocation or hotel costs), downgrade training etc...

On EXTO pilots are just plucked out of their bases, but their positions remain there without the cascade of displacements.

A furlough would necessitate a displacement/reduction bid and all of the messiness that goes with it!

Not to mention the immense cost and time associated with eventually bringing everyone back at the glacial pace of about 100 pilots per month, hotels, new background checks, AND paid relocation if they're not recalled into the domicile they're furloughed from.


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4V14T0R

Yep! Wonder if that statement makes it to the Comply upload. Huge tell on their motives.


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sMFer

My bad. I was day drinking.

Privateer89

In addition to pilots on leaves, one more thing that makes furloughs much more difficult at SWA is the way our system works. Greed. SWA pilots fly MUCH more than our counterparts at other airlines in good times and bad. We fly an average of roughly 20% over guarantee. If a furlough did happen and everybody did stop picking up all company open time, we’d immediately be so understaffed that furloughs would need to be recalled. I know this is a stretch but I hope all pilots would comply.

I was initially on board with helping the company by fixing inefficiencies to save money. SWAPA’s most recent offer is respectable but the company’s tactics have me worried that they are doing far more harm than good for our future....all over 0.5B system wide. To put that into perspective we have been granted 2.3B through PSP plus sold 2B of stock. 4.3B dollars of non debt......we are at roughly 3B of losses this year so far. Although we’ve taken on debt our balance sheet shows a net positive cash position of 3-4B. American is NEGATIVE 30B! Are we really willing to furlough and put ourselves in a position that doesn’t allow us to attack and seize opportunities next year? I hope not.

ZapBrannigan

I doubt most pilots have even considered this yet. I think we would hear a cascade of excuses and justifications and virtually no change in open time participation. And, unfortunately, SWAPA will be handcuffed and unable to openly advocate for it.

I’m sure lists will be curated and passed around after everyone is recalled, but all that will mean is a little more slam clicking and another nail in the faux culture.

Peacock

Yeah I have very little faith that open time behavior would change much. It’s a way of life for too many people.

Jeff Lebowski

^^^^^^

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