AMFA has a clause that says as long as any mx is outsourced, they can’t be furloughed. The WARN notices are illegal and AMFA representation has already taken action.

All of our offers have been 10%+ equivalent savings and are instantly met with discontent, making it clear to me SWA is using the crisis to reneg compensation. No credit is being given for each month of ETO’s. GK has gone too far now. His word is on the line and I believe he’ll furlough. Even if it’s 1 person. VSP/ExTO gives a chance at getting rid of more expensive labor, whereas furlough only rids the cheapest.

If you’re to follow every word of GK where he said he’ll do everything he can to save every job, it’s become beyond evident that was a lie. So now you have to pick and choose which words to believe, and when it comes to furlough, I don’t want to f around with guesses.

 

Screw it. Furlough me. I'm resourceful, I'll figure out a way to pay the bills, and I guarantee it ends up costing the company more in the long run than it saves in the short term.

Betcha a lot less guys are tolerant of accepting the risks of single engine taxi or not running an APU on a hot day after they've seen just how penny wise, pound foolish their employer is.


FUPM.

 

Somebody over on the Facebook page posted a letter from the Alaska MEC indicating they’ll have all of their guys who took a leave of absence back by May 2021.

 

If there are furloughs, and I’m pretty skeptical, they have to recall everyone from ExTO. Then furlough according to the contract. That’s a big cost right there because in less than 10 days every who took ExTO is de-qualified and needs to hit the sim for 3 takeoffs and landings. Some who will be furloughed will not have to re-qualify but many would have to head to Dallas, at company expense.

I hope I’m not wrong. But I don’t think it will come to furloughs. As mentioned earlier in this and other threads, there are many reasons to avoid it. Additionally there is a non-trivial amount of natural attrition each month due to retirements.

That said, I think we’re in for a tough winter.

I’ve been out for 3 months. How are loads? I’ll be curious about load factors after December 1 when they are selling to full capacity again.

The last time I was at an airline that furloughed, around 2008, everyone was back sooner than expected and not long after that they couldn’t fill classes fast enough.

 

Last week we were in the upper 80's, low 90's for loads on my last trip. Work a 3 day before the holiday and right now showing upper 60's/low 70's.

 

I know they'll furlough in seniority order even for those on Exto but will they have to bring everyone back first? I'm not sure about that.
even so if someone who was on ExTO at 55 tfp gets furloughed they would then go to 95tfp for X amount of months while on furlough. So they'd have to furlough for a considerable amount of time before it was worth it. No way we have a single guy furloughed this summer. I'm not even sure we'll have guys still on ExTO by end of year 2021.

 

Where does it say they have to recall everyone from ExTO prior to furloughing anyone? ExTO isn’t in the CBA. I don’t think SWAPA and SWA ever signed an ExTO MOU. I think all we have are the ExTO FAQ’s, which aren’t binding. I don’t remember if something like that is in the FAQ’s. I might be forgetting about or missing something. The only thing I’m aware of hearing along those lines is that if someone is on ExTO and is going to get furloughed, they’d recall them for like a day in order to furlough them.

 

Yeah it's just an administrative distinction.


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Agree. Something will be done at the 11th hour. If we furlough, it will never be the same and that will cost them much more.

 

That's my understanding. But remember, if they recall from ExTO many will not be in line for a furlough. Many senior pilots took the ExTO. Those will have to re-qualify.

I'm on ExTO at the moment and took the longest option because I have world travel plans. Based on current border issues I may not get to do much of that but by the time I can because of opening borders I expect to be called back anyway. I doubt I'm out for five years, but if so, I'm OK with that. I've been working at big airports since 1996 and I was ready for a break. Actually, I doubt we're out more than 18 months. Tops. But maybe I'm wrong.

One of the things about ExTO is that pilots who took it remain active pilots, on the seniority list. Just not flying. Furloughs happen according to seniority, if they happen. So yeah, we might only be called back for a day to be furloughed, but many out on ExTO won't be furloughed, they'll re-qualify to fly again.

We'll see what happens. But a furlough will generate a lot of training events. Both downgrades and re-qualification as people are recalled from ExTO and furlough. That's not inexpensive.

ExTO is not a SWAPA thing, I get that, but the company can't furlough out of seniority without a big headache.