WARN letters issued to MX
11-21-2020 | 02:31 PM
#81
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WARN letters issued to MX
They don't have to recall everyone from EXTO before they furlough. They only (administratively) recall the EXTO pilots who would be furloughed before changing their status to furloughed.
The senior / safe pilots on EXTO would remain on EXTO.
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11-21-2020 | 03:30 PM
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They don't have to recall everyone from EXTO before they furlough. They only (administratively) recall the EXTO pilots who would be furloughed before changing their status to furloughed.
The senior / safe pilots on EXTO would remain on EXTO.
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11-21-2020 | 03:38 PM
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Besides, without any contractual language, the company can do anything they want. Even with a contract, they just do what they want. They’re like the honey badger of companies. They don’t give a f.
11-21-2020 | 03:49 PM
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Not an accountant but my guess is because it’s not just junior guys who are on ExTO. There are some very senior people out on ExTO. Each of those guys might be worth one or two junior guys on furlough. You might have to furlough 8,000 guys to get to that senior guy OR you could just leave him/her out on ExTO while furloughing X% off the bottom and reap the benefit of the cost-savings generated by that senior guy being on ExTO.plus the cost savings of a furlough from the bottom.
11-21-2020 | 04:00 PM
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Not at all. People on ExTO are considered active pilots, just not flying any schedule. If furlough happens, people are let go in seniority order regardless of their ExTO status. Just look at the seniority list and disregard the "P" letter next to their name. All those outside the furlough currently on ExTO, will stay on ExTO. When the company will need pilots back on the line, they'll have to recall furloughs first before recalling long term ExTOs (at least that's how I understand it).
11-21-2020 | 06:18 PM
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Not an accountant but my guess is because it’s not just junior guys who are on ExTO. There are some very senior people out on ExTO. Each of those guys might be worth one or two junior guys on furlough. You might have to furlough 8,000 guys to get to that senior guy OR you could just leave him/her out on ExTO while furloughing X% off the bottom and reap the benefit of the cost-savings generated by that senior guy being on ExTO.plus the cost savings of a furlough from the bottom.
If we’re overmanned and people are on on ExTO, than you furlough until there’s no one on ExTO. Downgrades, displacements, whatever.
11-21-2020 | 06:29 PM
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Not at all. People on ExTO are considered active pilots, just not flying any schedule. If furlough happens, people are let go in seniority order regardless of their ExTO status. Just look at the seniority list and disregard the "P" letter next to their name. All those outside the furlough currently on ExTO, will stay on ExTO. When the company will need pilots back on the line, they'll have to recall furloughs first before recalling long term ExTOs (at least that's how I understand it).
I understand there are junior ExTO’s, but let’s say there are currently 1500 ExTO’s company wide. If you furlough 1500 (including those junior ExTO’s in that 1500) a bid will happen that will downgrade and displace and bring all those ExTO’s back to work. Recalls in seniority order from there.
You’re one senior to me and you’re on exto. I get furloughed and now someone has to cover my flying. You. If a furlough happens, a bid will happen. They’re not going to furlough and continue to pay people not to come to work.
Meaning, they’ll revoke exto status from everyone they need to before recalling.
11-21-2020 | 06:32 PM
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I think there’s approximately 20-25% of our guys currently on ExTO. In terms of voting, I doubt you’d get much support from them for a 10% assessment on top of the 40% pay cut they’ve already taken to give furloughees 88 TFP/mo when the guys on ExTO are only receiving 55 TFP. I’m on ExTO and I wouldn’t support something like that. Speaking for myself, you’d have to give the furloughees something < 55 TFP or exclude the ExTO guys from the assessment.
Also, ExTO was voluntary, a furlough is involuntary. Would we maybe pay ExTO + COBRA to furloughees instead of full guarantee, or meet somewhere in the middle? I don't know what the answer is, and I'm sure the guys far smarter than me would figure this out to be fair and reasonable all the way around, but should something like this come up to the vote, I'm a guaranteed yes. Any concession to the Company? Hell to the NO!
11-22-2020 | 09:43 AM
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Pay attention everyone because that right there tells you that they’re completely full of $7!t. EXTOs can be called back with a 30 day notice. Pretty much the same as furloughed people. If this doesn’t tell you that it’s an attempted money grab at our contract then I don’t know what will convince you.
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