I’m not a schedule planner, but my guess is they don’t necessarily need to bring people in from ExTO if they furlough someone, esp if anyone is still being paid green bars after a furlough. I’d assume if they furlough, they’d furlough just enough people to operate the schedule without green bars and without having to recall anyone early from ExTO.

Additionally, for decades SWA operated right around a 10.5:1 pilot to aircraft ratio. Only since 2016 did that increase significantly to around 13.5/14 to one pre-covid. There’s lots of speculation as to why that occurred but the point is the planners know we can operate with a ratio as low as 10.5:1 (or maybe even lower). I don’t know what our ratio is at the moment but to whatever extent it may be above the traditional manning ratio is also the extent to which we have proven we can operate the schedule before recalling people from ExTO.

A furlough would supposedly be about cost-savings as much as it would be about a power move so theoretically if they furlough someone only to recall on a one-for-one basis a more senior someone from ExTO, it would be counter-productive in terms of cost-savings.

 

You're over thinking it. Let's say they decide to reduce the headcount by 1500. They furlough the bottom 1200 (including those currently on EXTO). Meanwhile, 300 more senior EXTO pilots remain on EXTO. Calling them back would defeat the purpose of the program which is to mitigate furloughs to the extent possible.

If the lousy 1/2 guarantee they pay the folk who are still on EXTO after a furlough is really breaking the bank, they add another 75-150 furloughs to make up the cost difference.

My bet is they determine how many people they need to be rid of, and they achieve that number by way of furloughs and remaining EXTOs who are senior enough to be safe. Cost of those few remaining EXTOs will be baked into the number of furloughs, or absorbed as a cost of doing business at the right-sized headcount, just like VSP payments are baked in for the next 5 years.


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This exactly!
I can't understand why some believe they would wanna recall ExTOs and then furlough. Furlough number will cut off the bottom of the list including those on ExTO, as if they were working. Recalling ExTOs senior enough to survive the furlough would be counter productive. Keeping senior people on the leave saves money and allows lowering the furlough numbers.

 

Go fly a kite, Liberty. You’ve been involved in hundreds of debates because people have tried to convince you that you’re a jackasshat.

 

He/she's an a-hole

 

If I get a WARN notice or furlough letter, I'm going to print it on fancy paper and display it next to my nameplate during every single training visit back to DAL. I might even get it printed on a shirt to wear to company "LUV" events. Maybe I'll get it laser engraved on a metal plaque, to make it a tiny bit harder to steal and throw out. I'm not quitting or changing horses, but actions have consequences and new hires ought to know exactly what their bosses consider to be their higher obligation.

"Stock charts over co-hearts"

 

My thoughts exactly. I still want a stick made up for that.


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You could become a union rep and then send letters like this one to furloughees. Yikes!

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Daaaaaamn Zap. That probably sealed your disenchantment with USAir huh?

 

That was written recently and is going viral among their furloughees.


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