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04-18-2021, 07:48 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
Ops agent in DEN the other day told us half of those gates were going to Spirit. I'm sure that the CP was more in the know, but crazy isn't it how in the dark we really all are? Just along for the ride.
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FWIW I've heard den will go to 1200 pilots as fast as it can for 3 yrs now. So who knows what the answer is but I think y'all being a little pessimistic.
04-18-2021, 08:10 PM
#22
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 3,445
Originally Posted by hercretired
On a recent webinar, SWA Pilot Hiring reps indicated no hiring for 2021.
So.....who knows....
So.....who knows....
Oh geez. That means we are definitely hiring.
Pilot hiring is, and always will be, a long lead time item. You can't just put an ad out and have 200 pilots on the line the next month. It takes close to 6 months to get from "we are hiring" to having a line pilot who replaces a captain who is upgrading.
That said, we still have about 500 FOs out. I think they will all be recalled by the end of the year. New hire classes start in March. Any takers?
04-18-2021, 08:13 PM
#23
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
Oh geez. That means we are definitely hiring.
Pilot hiring is, and always will be, a long lead time item. You can't just put an ad out and have 200 pilots on the line the next month. It takes close to 6 months to get from "we are hiring" to having a line pilot who replaces a captain who is upgrading.
That said, we still have about 500 FOs out. I think they will all be recalled by the end of the year. New hire classes start in March. Any takers?
Pilot hiring is, and always will be, a long lead time item. You can't just put an ad out and have 200 pilots on the line the next month. It takes close to 6 months to get from "we are hiring" to having a line pilot who replaces a captain who is upgrading.
That said, we still have about 500 FOs out. I think they will all be recalled by the end of the year. New hire classes start in March. Any takers?
04-18-2021, 08:22 PM
#24
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: B737
Posts: 3,644
Originally Posted by Psycho18th
Well 12 years will still get me almost decade in the left seat before age 65. Does make my early retirement plans less realistic. ExTO sure has taught me I don’t need the extra money much. No other real impetus to upgrade in my mind.
1. I’ve been chasing this my adult life. I would like to make the seat at some point, a career goal so to speak. While I suppose making it to SWA (or any major) is significant, there’s still that next step.
2. Medical. Sick time pays out at the rate you are at. I’d rather have the left seat pay in that scenario.
3. Mergers. No question about where you want to be in the event of a merger.
04-19-2021, 08:36 AM
#25
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 99
Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
Ops agent in DEN the other day told us half of those gates were going to Spirit. I'm sure that the CP was more in the know, but crazy isn't it how in the dark we really all are? Just along for the ride.
Originally Posted by Salukidawg
That’s incorrect. Southwest is getting virtually all of the new gates (16) I believe. I think maybe 5 more are going to be common use, so maybe Spirit can use one or two of those. Southwest made big investments in Denver and they don’t plan to share with anyone, least of all Spirit.
04-19-2021, 08:43 AM
#27
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,022
Originally Posted by DHC8DRV
Ask some AT folks how that worked out for them
If your a CA at the bigger airline it tends to work out for you. I think that's his point. No bigger airline is going to acquire SWA.
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04-19-2021, 08:44 AM
#28
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Originally Posted by DHC8DRV
You may both be kinda correct. The word I have heard is that in the “new” gates being built, Spirit and Alaska will be consolidated to the east end and get 6 gates (all common use but that’s where they will be) and then SWA gets all the other gates in C including the 3 vacated by Alaska and Spirit. So in the end we will grow by 13 gates. Have also heard the plan is DEN being 900 pilots a side by the time the expansion is complete.
By my math that's 1200 new pilots in what a year?
I dont see it but it does sound like a good goal.
Now wait for the company to say we can only grow this much if you take a cost neutral contract.
I have heard this mega base rumor at DEN for years now and I believe that's the goal. I might disagree with the time frame though.
04-19-2021, 08:45 AM
#29
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 666
Originally Posted by e6bpilot
Oh geez. That means we are definitely hiring.
Pilot hiring is, and always will be, a long lead time item. You can't just put an ad out and have 200 pilots on the line the next month. It takes close to 6 months to get from "we are hiring" to having a line pilot who replaces a captain who is upgrading.
That said, we still have about 500 FOs out. I think they will all be recalled by the end of the year. New hire classes start in March. Any takers?
Pilot hiring is, and always will be, a long lead time item. You can't just put an ad out and have 200 pilots on the line the next month. It takes close to 6 months to get from "we are hiring" to having a line pilot who replaces a captain who is upgrading.
That said, we still have about 500 FOs out. I think they will all be recalled by the end of the year. New hire classes start in March. Any takers?
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