I thought I’d share my timeline with Southwest for people wondering. Applied in the end of December window. It was the 4th window I had applied in. 1/3/22 was notified for the virtual interview. Completed Virtual Interview 1/24/22. Next day received email for an in person interview. Scheduled for 2/16 which was the first one that was offered to me. 2/17 offered a CJO.

Regional Captain
4400 TT
1700 TPIC
3 internal recommendation
No failures

 

Does SWAPA have a contract comparison guide out that anyone wants to DM me? Thanks in advance.

 

No, but here’s Spirit’s:

https://ravencareers.com/wp-content/...1632627896.pdf

 

Thanks RJS

 

SWAPA does have one that they have published but I don't have it with me. Maybe if you Google "SWAPA contract comparison"? Maybe Reddit has something?

I have a copy of the United Airlines contract comparison that they published in Q1 2017. What is very interesting about that is that they have charts in the back comparing 30-year career compensation between the various airlines and modeling different career progressions. Here are the caveats that they list: "Charts depict the retirement growth of a pilot starting their employment January 1st 2016. All charts are based solely on company contributions. No pilot deferred compensation has been added. At properties that have a 401 (k) match the full match value is included, but the pilot contribution has not been included for consistency. Charts assume no profit sharing. Contributions are based on the pilot crediting 1,000 hours per year. An annualized growth rate of 8% was used. Only current known pay rate increases have been included. Compensation over the IRS limit of $265,000 is not included."

At SWA, assuming a 10-year upgrade, total career compensation is $3.759M.

At UA, assuming 5 yrs as a 737 FO, 5 yrs as a 777 FO, 5 yrs as a 737 CA, then the remainder as a 777 CA, total career compensation is $4.709M. That's just under $1M in career compensation difference. Realize that upgrade time at UAL is reportedly significantly better than that chart assumes and at SWA, it's right at 10 years and maybe a little more than that.

 

I don't have that comparison in front of me, but from what I remember, I believe it was a total RETIREMENT compensation, not total compensation.

That would track with the numbers given, because over 30 years, United's numbers alone only give you $157k per year of total compensation, which of course is way way low.

 

Has to be retirement or something else...

I got hired at 34. Been here 6 years. Made $1.1m total. Add in $260k to retirement and $73k in profit sharing (30% of the total earnings). I have 24y6mo left if I want. Assuming it takes 4 more years to upgrade (I doubt it will), that's 20 yrs in the left seat. Assuming current CBA rates til I quit and 4 more years to upgrade with a avg of 110 tfp/mo (I work a lot, so it'll be more)....I'd be looking at total career earnings of around $9m with $2.7m put into retirement (prob more than that but I used the 30%).

 

Yep, you're right. I hadn't looked at the charts in several years and had career compensation on my mind, but it even says it is retirement in the notes to the charts that I quoted from. My bad.

 

I have SWAPA's contract comparison in pdf format but cannot upload it here. Any tech support from the crowd? I'm sure SWAPA would want as many as possible to become familiar with it!

 

That's actually why I didn't try to post it or link directly to it. SWAPA might consider it proprietary info or something. But the link directly to where somebody posted it online pops up via a very simple Google search.