Could be the mom that called the training center complaining that they were too hard on her boy? LOL

 

Right behind you brother. Only yes vote was for the SAV. This group will never learn and always chases the shiny object. A few votes ago FOs (now captains) couldn't wait to vote yes to get retro to pay off a couch. Maybe this time they'll get enough to pay off the whole sectional. Woo doggy!

 

You guys have truly mastered the art of debate and persuasion! 🤣

 

Oh yeah life is better with the trolls on the ignore list! Unfortunately I'm still exposed occasionally to their blather when others quote them 😞
fortunately we haven't been treated to Tom D's input lately over at the Swapa site. I still can't figure out how to block people there.

 

I'll give you my Venmo- any help is appreciated.

 

That's the actual reason it is so stupid to pay FO's 757 rates and CA's 737 rates. Not some strawman erected by some people claiming that CA's are ****ed about the FO rates.

Its the "narrowbody" pay mental trick that Kahuna is pointing out. SWA pilots have been told for years that you fly a 737 so all you get is 737 rates. If these leaked pay rates are accurate then they flung the barn doors wide open on the "we can't pay you more than 737 rates." Once that "argument" is undermined what is left? We only have enough to do that for half the pilot group? No, there's plenty of money to go around. Especially in this pilot hiring environment and with a 99% SAV.

That's why I'm losing my mind reading people supporting the difference. You are falling for the narrowbody mental pay trick and this time it's even worse. Instead of believing that for the entire pilot group you believe it for half the group. And that's AFTER the company has shown you that they no longer pretend believe in the trick!

No need to "squeeze the baloon" and leave money on the table that will be given to executives and shareholders.

 

Who is supporting the difference? Certainly wasn’t me. I was just pointing out that CA’s were OK with a difference in the past when it worked in their favor and are a solid NO vote this time if it works in the FO’s favor. I find that ironic and wanted to point it out.

I am also a firm maybe vote.

 

Is the fact that SW pilots have always accepted less than their peers even debatable?

Our contracts lag the industry because the majority of the pilot group want it that way, otherwise we wouldn't consistently vote for lagging contracts and side letters.

WRT "debate and persuasion", we're witnessing deja vu all over again. Some different players, but the same tired game with likely the same result.

We'll see.

 

Firm maybe as well. Also, I think you misjudge the sentiment on the left side of the cockpit. Neither FOs or Cptns. should be getting shafted.

Actually, I lay the blame for this on SWAPA with the caveat that I don’t know what happened in the negotiating room. They should have just negotiated Cptn. rates and insisted on 70% for FOs. Problem solved and no angst amongst either side of the cockpit.

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Exactly right!

This is causing exactly what it's meant to do, animosity between the children. If true, how in the world did SWAPA get bamboozled into agreeing to a pay rate that is sure to be divisive? In this negotiating environment? Are they shooting for a 50+1% solution? Because if this turns out to be true, that's where it may end up.

To be clear, CAs are not upset that FOs would get more. CAs are upset that pay didn't rise enough and that the percentage of CA pay that FOs get didn't rise along with it. A tide raises all boats.. Like landings, look at the end of the runway not just in front of you...