Yet another gets it. Amazing.

 

It's great if the FOs are getting big raises, but I'm voting no if we're not getting $325 tfp for a 12 year captain in 2024. FOs get 757, but Captains get 737 + 1%? That's f#cking stupid.

 

I'll offer a counterbalance to all the negativity.

If LTD is fixed (no offsets, add NEC)
and if pilots on sick leave are treated like employees even once their sick leave is exhausted -- those are my lines in the sand.

As far as pay? I knew I was going to fly a 737 when I got here.

i wasn't one of those guys who had to pay for my training to get this job flying 737s. That would've been a line in the sand for me.

So I'm not going to dismiss an entire CBA over industry leading 737 rates of pay.

Barring anything unusually egregious, I'm a yes.

 

Serious fail! We all know FO's aren't human and don't deserve anything beyond captain's goodwill...

 

Actually, it’s a perfect play. ..

Last week: “I don’t want 757 rates. I want career earnings parity. 757 rates are not gonna cut it.”

This week: “The FO got 757 rates, why can’t I get 757 rates?”

Next week: “Finally, we got 757 rates. We showed them!”

 

Where is the list of leaked rates?

 

Meh...

Like these.
Meh.. not really impressed. Need more explanaation.


Let's see the bribe...

Meh... though if 2.5% raises go into perpetuity, it at least somewhat cushions the blow.

Yummy... $20 bill served with Cholula, Tapatio and Sriracha Sauce. We really do have some weirdos here.

OK... let's hear more about it.

What... they're afraid of LEAD pajama warriors revolting over having to pay attention to bid preferences? Sucks to be them.

Meh... don't care.

Those "leaked" rates were $8 per TFP short of 757 rates for the topped out CA. Now we know that FO's are sub-human and we don't care about them, so the fact that the company actually wants to pay FO's more is preposterous and scandalous... In all seriousness, I'd have to see more, but the whole thing sounds kinda... I dunno... underwhelming. And yet, my number 1 priority in all the polling is not even addressed in this "leak" which is LTD and what happens when life without OEM window shades or something else knock you down a few notches.

 

This is bait and switch. "Delta 757 pay rates" are narrowbody on Delta's scale. They are literally only 3% higher than 737. That doesn't even move the needle towards industry career compensation.

Don't even get me started on screwing the Captains over. Those of us who are FOs aren't dummies and we are NOT going to fall for that.

NEC needs to be higher.




Delta and American get $1,000,000 term life policy on day 1.

Why would we accept anything less?




So once they delay you, they can delay as long as they want because they already paid you a measly 1 TFP? The whole point of the 1:1 rig was to pay you more the more they delay you to disincentivize the delays.





Is that a joke? We need actual crew meals.

Why only flights over 4 hours? Most of our days are 4, 5, or even 6 legs of shorter flights not over 4 hours. With the early AMs and late PMs everything is closed and in between flights there aren't many good choices and long lines of customers.




So our days become less productive? Less time making money and more time at the airport hotel?

That all adds up to more days worked per month to make the same pay.

Is this the new "108 TFP" screw job?


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Good Lord you have a “special” way of looking at things.

🔥👇

 

Yep..... absolute trickery over a tiny increase.

Hopefully, we are smart enough not to fall for it.

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