Bingo and FOs leaving isnt a SWApA problem its SWA problem. If FOs get it CAs sure as heck should. How long is one an FO vs CA? Think guys. The company is playing SWApA once again.

 

I find it humorous that captains are wanking because FOs are making more in the new pay scale. Never mind that our FOs have been on a SWAPA sell out B scale for decades. Our year 2-5 FOs trail the industry in percentage of captain pay.
None of you know what happened in the negotiating room and who gave up what. If the company wants to right the FO pay scale, then so what? "We are 12 year captains longer than we are FOs" is such a lame excuse to treat half of our pilots like crap. We don't have multiple planes to fly with multiple pay scales. Having our FOs who can't upgrade make a decent wage is crucial since they don't have the choice to bid to a captain seat or big equipment like their peers. We are all in this together, and nobody is stealing anybody else's pay. It's about time the FO B scale got fixed.
I know it's hard for some of you, but maybe hearken back to the days of being a junior guy trying to pay the bills. And pick up the tab every now and then. It won't kill you.

 

Some captains wont even pick up the bill when flying with a first year FO. Most do though. I'll even sometimes see a captain whip out a single dollar bill to tip the van driver. C'mon man!

 

The company has zero concern about atrition. None. Training costs and those costs associated with attrition are a drop in the bucket to overal pilot pay.

 

I just got a sneak peak at the complete contract for about 5 minutes.

FO pay scale is Delta 757 pay rates + 1%
CA pay scale is Delta 737-9 pay rates + 1%

NEC was 17 up to 18. Didn’t get a look at the MBCP

Company paid life insurance 800k

2.5% bonus each year we go without a new contract ratified

ELITT across months, opens on 23rd, ELITT out to 2 days instead of 4

VPF goes away turns into voluntary double time

JA gives you a Personal net zero (PNZ) to drop any day regardless of DTC

Split to cover is almost completely eliminated

“Extended delay pay” 1 TFP for an extended delay within a pairing. No 1:1 duty rig pay after 10 hours.

Retro was big. Totaled 29% I believe, with 23% in 2023. Can’t remember the other numbers.

5 year contract

Crew meal pay 20$ for flights over 4 hours

per diem goes to IRS maximum

Theyre stuck in implementation right now trying to get training bidding implemented. Company wants to push it late into the contract like 2027

There was a hard duty limit stop. Think it was 12 hours. 13.5 if there’s a deadhead.

That’s all I can remember for right now…

Those rumored pay rates that look like they’re made in excel are actually real. They’re within a dollar of the actual rates.

 

I'm fine with "fixing" the FO pay scale. But ONLY after EVERY other item is fixed in the contract. And that means the same comparison to the Delta and United 75/76 payscale in both seats (which should eclipse Delta/United). The company is going to need to do that regardless. So it would be smart for snapa to address the payscale as a whole, and let the company worry about year 1-5 FO pay. In other words, if the 1-5 year FO pay is disproportionately higher than topped out captain, I'm a no. Among many many other items that better be addressed.

 

Sure doesn’t look like “insane money” or anything that will make folks “regret leaving”. 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

Nope...also how I'll be voting if this is accurate.

 

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At least someone gets it!