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12-16-2023 | 05:51 AM
#171
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12-16-2023 | 05:52 AM
#172
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From: 737 FO
it’s the worst kept secret that this thing has been done for two weeks. Implementation aka “tech touches” and grievance settlement were always going to be contentious.
12-16-2023 | 05:55 AM
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We need career earnings to be on par with OALs for the typical newhire, which these days is often 25 yrs old.
I'm betting you did NOT mean that Captain pay could be Delta 737 + $1 but it could be misconstrued that way.
In order to truly match career earnings we probably need a blend of significantly higher pay rates and retirement contributions.
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I'm betting you did NOT mean that Captain pay could be Delta 737 + $1 but it could be misconstrued that way.
In order to truly match career earnings we probably need a blend of significantly higher pay rates and retirement contributions.
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12-16-2023 | 06:47 AM
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Company: "We gave the FO's 757 pay so we only have enough to give the CA's 737+1 pay."
SWAPA: "Sounds great to us!"
TSMITR is so happy to be vindicated
12-16-2023 | 06:55 AM
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In fact, when something is so obviously causing attrition and the company changes it on their own...... ZERO negotiating capital gets spent.
SWAPA has made some mistakes, but that ain't one of em.
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12-16-2023 | 06:58 AM
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Not sure you can ever compete as long as they’re offering CA spots to new hires. We can match or exceed NEC and beat pay rates but CA pay will always > FO pay and shorter upgrade times skew the numbers. Hard to figure career earnings anyway as you’ve got 5-7k FO’s bypassing and NOT taking first available either for WB or QOL reasons. Our pay does need to be higher than 737/320 pay though….more than $1. I’d prefer 757 pay or better across the board, but we’ll have to see what was negotiated.
As to the rest, we have to set a high bar if we want to attract quality newhires. OALs offering higher pay and quick upgrades IS EXACTLY why SWA needs to boost compensation across the board. That is the landscape they are competing in.
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12-16-2023 | 08:16 AM
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I agree with your 757 statement.
As to the rest, we have to set a high bar if we want to attract quality newhires. OALs offering higher pay and quick upgrades IS EXACTLY why SWA needs to boost compensation across the board. That is the landscape they are competing in.
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As to the rest, we have to set a high bar if we want to attract quality newhires. OALs offering higher pay and quick upgrades IS EXACTLY why SWA needs to boost compensation across the board. That is the landscape they are competing in.
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12-16-2023 | 10:53 AM
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this needs to be read over and over again. Too many guys keep beating that drum ….
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