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07-25-2025 | 11:45 AM
#161
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Simple Flying just posted a new article today saying certification is being pushed to 2026 at the earliest because the fix for the anti-ice isn’t working as well as expected and needs more work.
It never ends with this damn airplane does it…
It never ends with this damn airplane does it…
07-25-2025 | 11:56 AM
#162
At your mom's house
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From: cpt 737
good thing the 8s aren't falling out of the sky
07-25-2025 | 02:26 PM
#163
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From: Boeing 737
worth a read.
https://a.co/d/8Q9InYP
07-29-2025 | 10:39 AM
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We are stuck in the mud with no appreciable growth for the next 3 or 4 years. If that thing actually shows up sometime in 2026 for revenue service it really won’t make a dent in overall fleet size until late 2027. It will just be replacing beat up 700s on a one-for-for basis initially.
07-29-2025 | 11:03 AM
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I’m not completely familiar with the TAI certification problem. What is the problem?
Is the Max 7 TAI identical to the 8 and 9 and just can’t get certified “as is” because more of the current problem is known, or is it a completely different system than the 8/9 and has its own new problems?
I thought lack of EICAS was the big certification holdup; is that fixed or waived, or grandfathered in ok?
I guess I’m asking is this a 7 problem, or a problem with the Max fleet as a whole?
Is the Max 7 TAI identical to the 8 and 9 and just can’t get certified “as is” because more of the current problem is known, or is it a completely different system than the 8/9 and has its own new problems?
I thought lack of EICAS was the big certification holdup; is that fixed or waived, or grandfathered in ok?
I guess I’m asking is this a 7 problem, or a problem with the Max fleet as a whole?
Last edited by CaseTractor; 07-29-2025 at 11:04 AM. Reason: Clarification of my question
07-29-2025 | 11:40 AM
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I’m not completely familiar with the TAI certification problem. What is the problem?
Is the Max 7 TAI identical to the 8 and 9 and just can’t get certified “as is” because more of the current problem is known, or is it a completely different system than the 8/9 and has its own new problems?
I thought lack of EICAS was the big certification holdup; is that fixed or waived, or grandfathered in ok?
I guess I’m asking is this a 7 problem, or a problem with the Max fleet as a whole?
Is the Max 7 TAI identical to the 8 and 9 and just can’t get certified “as is” because more of the current problem is known, or is it a completely different system than the 8/9 and has its own new problems?
I thought lack of EICAS was the big certification holdup; is that fixed or waived, or grandfathered in ok?
I guess I’m asking is this a 7 problem, or a problem with the Max fleet as a whole?
07-29-2025 | 11:50 AM
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Same exact system on the 8 and 9. Both variants were already certified before the TAI issue was discovered. Operators were sent a procedural bulletin about the problem and how to mitigate it until a permanent fix was developed. I’m pretty sure the FAA granted the EICAS waiver already for the 7 and 10 and they were well on their way to being certified under the TAI bulletin/temp fix until the door plug on the Alaskan MAX9 blew. That, combined with the two MAX crashes, and the FAA was not in the mood to waive anything associated with certifying the 7 and 10. Boeing knew it and withdrew the TAI waiver request… and here we are.
Boeing has screwed so many airlines in the last 8 years its amazing they are still in operation. They are a monopoly and have massive government contracts keeping them afloat.
I'd be shocked to see a MAX 7 or 10 flying at an airline before 2027.
07-29-2025 | 12:31 PM
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It’s really just getting sadly comical now. They’ve been working on fixing this TAI issue for 2+ years now. Back in the day they could almost go from clean sheet design to revenue service in about the same time. Heck, the Empire State Building was built in 4 years.
We are stuck in the mud with no appreciable growth for the next 3 or 4 years. If that thing actually shows up sometime in 2026 for revenue service it really won’t make a dent in overall fleet size until late 2027. It will just be replacing beat up 700s on a one-for-for basis initially.
We are stuck in the mud with no appreciable growth for the next 3 or 4 years. If that thing actually shows up sometime in 2026 for revenue service it really won’t make a dent in overall fleet size until late 2027. It will just be replacing beat up 700s on a one-for-for basis initially.
07-29-2025 | 01:12 PM
#169
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I think we've got much bigger issues in play regarding growth, or lack of, than the Max7. We are currently receiving new Max8s largely to replace the -700s as they hit the 24 year cliff, and the company seems to be a-okay these days with more 175-seaters in the fleet. I'd still like to fly one before my time is up, but I'm firmly in the 'believe it when it's sitting at one of our gates' mode.
07-29-2025 | 03:30 PM
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Guess all of you forgot about how long that actually took.
everyone thought the MAX grounding was going to go on forever until one day the FAA just did their job.
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