Never get married or live in a state where that sh1t is legal. You either get a prenup or you live with the one the state gives you.

 

Any updates?

 

Nothing. It will really all depend on the Max-7 so once you hear that news I would suspect hiring to start again. I still think early to mid 2025 we should resume but who knows, this is Boeing and WN were talking about here.

 

They are now sending out newsletters to the pool. With the option to fill out a form and remove yourself from the pool.

 

Friend of a friend in the hiring department said they are spooling up hiring in January...2026. Second hand so take it for what it's worth. Right now we are a few hundred pilots fat and we are going to be net negative this year for aircraft. 2025 isn't looking any better. Leases are expiring on 800s and 700s need heavy checks that the company absolutely will not pay for. I wouldn't bet on hiring any time soon as long as both Boeing and Southwest are under the fed microscope.

 

I highly doubt we go net negative on aircraft in 2025 (barring a massive recession). If maggement wants Wall Street to allow them to keep their jobs they need to figiure out a way to not shrink (other the HQ headcount) and allow our competitors to steal SWA market share. There's two likely outcomes, and a third unlikely outcome..

1. Boeing manages to get the 737-8 assembly line production rate back up to normal levels. We continue to take 737-8s.

2. The company negociates some kind of deal compelling Boeing to complete the heavy checks on the old 700s and we keep flying them. The deal would have to address issues beyond the cost of the heavy checks such as increased mx and fuel costs, dimished value, etc.

If neither of these happen there is really only one option and that would be to buy either Jetblue or Spirit. Really hoping this is unlikely and Boeing can solve this problem...

 

The old 700’s need to be turned into beer cans. They’re hot garbage. Flew one 2 days ago with 6 MEL’s and I added 2 more in 2 legs…one of them was the APU that just decided to quit as we were about to push.

 

Just in case you hadnt reviewed it yet, but the shrinkage to profitability E6B speaks to is waifed and floated in the 2nd quarter financial performance (or lack thereof) release.

"Based on our ongoing discussions with Boeing, we continue to plan for approximately 20 737-8 deliveries and 35 aircraft retirements for the year."

If you've already reviewed, please disregard.

 

I wonder how many of these issues are tied to who may or may not occupy the nations highest office coming up.

 

There is no "shink to profitablbilty". Listening to the investor call, and the new "after the call" video for employees, they wanted the 85 planes ordered this year, Boeing failed to perform. They've reduced old aircraft retirmements as much as possbile. However, leased aircraft already have new leasees, and they won't pay to heavy check aircraft themselves.

Companies that are "shrinking to profitability" don't make significant investments in technology, aircraft interiors, etc. (even if you think some of their choices are misguided, they are still spending money on stuff)

My post is talking about 2025, the trajectory for 2024 is already set. Southwest has 79 aircraft orders for 2025, and even higher numbers of orders 2026-2031. They want to expand.