Originally Posted by at6d

The biggest threat that I experienced was a wholly owned carrier being whipasawed against the mothership (or even other regional feed to the same mainline).

Good example is Comair vs ASA and Delta. Or Eagle vs Chataqua. Delta vs Comair and both carriers were ALPA.

If there were any feed opportunities for us, I’d want the planes, the pilots, and a scale appropriate for it—in house only. One pilot group, one union, one contract. Thats leverage and better job security.

Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER

We obviously lived through the same era. Ah how I miss that $16.18/hr CRJ life 🙄

Originally Posted by at6d

Correct! My first paycheck was for $0.00. They took back my uniforms and overpayment for training. Good intro to 121!

Originally Posted by CA1900

I think looking at Jetblue, and their mixed fleet of A320s, E190s, and now A220s, is a useful comparison. None of these aircraft are flown by contractors. First year pay is all the same, and then it varies by aircraft size. I won't regurgitate the chart, but if APC's page on Jetblue is correct, a topped-out A320 captain makes $359.40 an hour; topped-out E190 captain makes $287.51. That's 80% of the pay for a plane that carries 66% of the passengers (100 vs. 150).

If we were to add a E195-E2 set up the way Porter does (to pick an example), with 132 seats, that's 92% of the capacity of our 700, which is what our pay is based on. So I'd expect the pay for that size aircraft to be very close to, or the same, as our 737. After all, we're flying a plane with 27% more seating for the same rate! If they want to pay less for the E195, they'll need to pay more for the 800/Max8. Or they could stick with a blended rate and save a whole bunch of money on training costs.

If they expand that to the 175E2, that is appreciably smaller, and probably would pay less. But it still should be flown by our pilots if we ever went that route.

Originally Posted by flyguy81

Nah. Full pay for a 195. We have 700’s configured to 137 seats now. We flew 300’s, 500’s, 700’s and 800’s at the same time and got nothing extra for going bigger….I’m sure as hell not taking a pay cut to fly something with 5 less seats.

Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER

We obviously lived through the same era. Ah how I miss that $16.18/hr CRJ life 🙄

Originally Posted by Boxhound

Leave us not forget the Wings West-vs-Simmons-vs-Flagship-vs-the PR et al, All versus Mainline AA. Mainline AA struck in 1997 over deployment of the 50 seat “rj”.

Crandall got the B scale going in the 80’s, fully stamped off on by APA. That scheme played out only to be replaced by the new “C” scale “regional” scam. Which imo has pretty much played out too.

I had to chuckle a little at at6d when he said his first check was $0.00. Checking my social security statement, in 1990 I had made a thundering $9200.00 my first year as a regional fo.

Couldn’t even afford a wrecked out Miata on that.

I really hope you guys don’t let that on SW property in any shape or form.

Originally Posted by flyguy81

Just looked at my SSA statement too. I’ll make more this month than my entire 1st year as a 50 seat RJ CA. God we were abused and underpaid…criminally so.

Originally Posted by flyguy81

Just looked at my SSA statement too. I’ll make more this month than my entire 1st year as a 50 seat RJ CA. God we were abused and underpaid…criminally so.

Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER

It was indeed “criminal” which is why I didn’t feel horrible that so many regionals folded after Covid. Of course, I did feel for their employees.