It was actual, I believe it also counts standbys.

 

Agree about the podcast. Clearly something is in the works and has been for a while. Obviously there is no huge rush on finishing the negotiation either, which makes me think it's an aircraft order or true long haul flying in the Max.

Controversial, but I don't think a 100 seat aircraft must pay the same as a 137-175 seat aircraft if it means that SWA pilots now get to fly those airplanes and they are true seniority list growth. Sorry, I just don't, mostly for economic reasons. I think that anyone who sticks to that fantasy in their brain as a non starter is going to have issues. The rest of the industry feels the same way.

We will see where this all ends up. I think the company has big plans to continue segmenting the cabin and offering more things that people want to give SWA their money for. Time will definitely tell. The lounges, FA uniform change, etc all points to a more slightly upscale product than what we have been offering.

 

we already know the company wants to do far international with the max. The union said no.
As far as less pay for fewer seat- will the C suite take a payout as they are now managing smaller aircraft?
Will the mechanics of FAs? below the wing? Ops and gate agents? NO.
So why is it that the pilots are the only ones tied to seats? If that aircraft allows the company to make more money then we should get a cut. The liability is the same, the risk is the same. If a 100 seat aircraft goes down it'll be the same exposure to the company as if 137 seat aircraft crashes. Pilots prevent that from happening. Mechanics also. So neither should gt a pay cut.
thats my opinion.

 

I can see the risks you're talking about, and I guess your point seems to be that we can't control how many smaller gauge airplanes the Company uses if we operate them, but we could control how many get contracted out to the likes of SkyWest. Am I right?

Well, what's better... allowing outsourcing of domestic work, or sticking to our guns and saying our junior pilots are gonna be the ones most likely flying the smaller gauge planes? It's not even a question in my mind...

 

What'd I miss?

 

Did the union say no? That's not what I heard. I heard that it is still an open item being negotiated.

If we get a 787 or A350, are you advocating for the same rate that we get for a 737?

 

SWAPA didn’t say no. The company decided not yet…

liability us one piece. Now do RASM and CASM of a 100 seat jet over its average stage length vs a 250 seat jet over its respective stage length…

mechanics will turn wrenches on all models. Ops agents will push flights off their gate regardless of the model, rampers will throw bags into whichever model is on their gate. I don’t think FAs need to be tied to a specific type either. So pilots are the only ones tied to a specific aircraft type…and the revenue it generates.

 

There’s a difference between 100 and 130 and also 100 and 75.

We absolutely should not be negotiating based on seats anyway…should be pay banded based on type or gross weight as certified by manufacturer. Nothing stopping them from tearing seats out to avoid paying a higher rate…been there, got the t-shirt, not doing it again.

 

I thought in that email from the union they told the company no because the company wanted it without followimg our contract of a reopener?
maybe I read between the lines too much.
Im not sure why people hamstring themselves in negotiations by going off of past practice of other airlines? Its negotiations, we can ask for whatever we want and if the company wants it bad enough we will get it.
imagine if everyone just went off of past practice, we'd still be getting paid by the mile from the old post office contracts.
read "flying the line"

Idk, thats my opinion and how ill vote.

 

Yes almost all employee groups except pilots have to deal with multiple fleets (although that can be segregated by base and outstation, widebodies typically only have a handful compared to NB).

Yes.

All four legacies have pay scales setup that way, easy to plagiarize as a starting point.

Unless you want to do something crazy like a blended rate for all fleets. There was a little chatter about that with the AS/HA merger, but it got shouted down pretty hard. Not socially acceptable in ALPA circles anyway.