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Old 04-21-2026 | 10:44 AM
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Bid is out.

Junior CA:

AUS 135K
ATL 77K
BNA 132K
BWI 137K
DAL 124K
DEN 117K
HOU 137K
LAS E 106K
LAS 131K
LAX 136K
MCO 133K
MDW 135K
PHX 130K

Junior FO:

ATL 187K
AUS 198K
BNA 186K
BWI 201K
DAL 183K
DEN 179K
HOU 199K
LAS 187K
LAS E 185K
LAX 128K
MCO 200K
MDW 200K
OAK 187K
PHX 179K

I counted two displaced captains and 24 ROR.

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Old 04-21-2026 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by rightseat
My thoughts for next language.

nobody gets into a base above a ROR unless the pilot is downgrading into the ROR base.

Company must provide positive space to any base for assigned trips for any any pilot with RoR base and hotels for five years.

This should be retroactive.

It would be a long time before we had new displacements.

Their pain = our gain

All of this did not affect me but I feel horrible for the Denver guys and my vote will be to protect all us from this ever happening again.
all solid suggestions but I feel the company did this on purpose to have something to bargin our scope etc for.

Hopefully the union doesn't fall for it
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Old 04-21-2026 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by hoover
all solid suggestions but I feel the company did this on purpose to have something to bargin our scope etc for.

Hopefully the union doesn't fall for it
Ha this useless union will sell
it as a win. Same with the turd contract so many are upset with and voted for. Ahhh to be a short timer is a relief. As if my GAS factor could be lower. I and many of my sr buds won’t do a damn thing to help swapull again. As for the vac change. It shouldn’t chg to what’s coming. But I digress. Just another seniority grab. And I’m all for the number one pilot getting the weeks he wants then 2 and so on. Just look at how pathetic JR has been. The self interest and lack of any accountability within swapull. This pilot group falls for it every time. SAIEW!

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Old 04-21-2026 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by mulcher
Ha this useless union will sell
it as a win. Same with the turd contract so many are upset with and voted for. Ahhh to be a short timer is a relief. As if my GAS factor could be lower. I and many of my sr buds won’t do a damn thing to help swapull again. As for the vac change. It shouldn’t chg to what’s coming. But I digress. Just another seniority grab. And I’m all for the number one pilot getting the weeks he wants then 2 and so on. Just look at how pathetic JR has been. The self interest and lack of any accountability within swapull. This pilot group falls for it every time. SAIEW!
Enjoy retirement
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Old 04-21-2026 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 4V14T0R
Explain what you would do with the language to help the displaced people, because everything I've read so far would bite you. If you're a CA you can currently downgrade into your base of choice. If you want all displaced people ahead of anyone new for secondary vacancies you wouldn't be able to downgrade into your base of choice. You would be stuck as a displaced CA. We have got to stop eroding seniority. The only thing to do with the language, in my eyes, is make it more expensive for the company and maybe force them into a different staffing model. On the staffing model front, SWAPA has been talking about scope lately, and one of the things they brought up is how the legacys use block hours for their stafffing model for wide bodies. This is how it should be done. If it were done this way, DEN wouldn't have shrank a fraction of what it did.

TLDR version, stop going after your fellow pilots and go after the company for the language.
Staffing based on RON’s is stupid. Should be based on block hours or flights per day out of the base. Absolutely no reason other than sheer stupidity that a LAS guy is doing DEN turns…it’s more expensive paying for a hotel for 3 nights than having someone sleep in their own bed.

Want to fix displacements? Make it cost so much that they won’t consider doing it unless you have a Covid level event. TDY lines - mandatory and voluntary only. Hotels for the month paid, pos space commutes when you come/go and 24/7 per diem….it’d be more sr than the RE lines.

if that doesn’t fix it, then displacement in inverse seniority order. They get 100% paid hotels with a $500/ni limit (not my fault it’s UFC night in LAS) or the company can block off rooms at a union approved hotel for displaced folks. This would not expire….it stops when they get back home. Add to this…must ride commutes as long as they’re displaced in category and class of seating = to that given to DHD pilots.

ROR applies to all vacancies. No more of this secondary BS. If 10 people bid out, the next 10 in are displaced. Once everyone has 1 shot back in, you revert back to system seniority. (If you change your #1 spot from your displaced base for VA bidding or summer because your schedule is better in AUS, then you wait to get back to DEN or wherever.).

I don’t fault anyone for bidding what they want and getting what the CBA allows. A 55xxx guy getting to DEN for his summer home shouldn’t be prioritized over someone forced out involuntarily. He made a voluntary choice to go to MCO or PHX for the winter knowing full well what was going on with staffing reductions….a alternative to fix this could be a global base trade…similar to RAPPUL.

if you want to move, you’d put your pref in. Most sr 2 get to trade bases. This can be run for 1-2 days after the vacancy protest period.

I’d also stipulate that there are NO vacancy bids during periods where there are NO bodies entering the bid. Shuffling deck chairs needs to stop. If this company can’t plan ahead more than 2-3 months at a time, they deserve to pay all the VDT that arises from it.

Finally, IDC if you’re sick of hearing about it. As long as hundreds of pilots are forced to commute…you’ll hear about it. I doubt the 1221 cared that people were tired of listening to them complain about the WARN notices after a month. This is the biggest thing going on that’s affecting people’s seniority right now…we start negotiating in about a year. Deal with it.
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Old 04-21-2026 | 06:18 PM
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I think that'll about cover the fly bys
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Old 04-21-2026 | 07:25 PM
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Some other interesting figures: roughly top 150 DAL FO's can hold captain somewhere in the system; close to 200 FO's in DEN, 170ish in BWI, about 110 in MCO and about 140 in MDW.
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Old 04-22-2026 | 02:12 AM
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Now do how many out on medical!
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Old 04-22-2026 | 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
Some other interesting figures: roughly top 150 DAL FO's can hold captain somewhere in the system; close to 200 FO's in DEN, 170ish in BWI, about 110 in MCO and about 140 in MDW.
How many JB FO’s can? Oh wait, wrong thread.
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Old 04-22-2026 | 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
Some other interesting figures: roughly top 150 DAL FO's can hold captain somewhere in the system; close to 200 FO's in DEN, 170ish in BWI, about 110 in MCO and about 140 in MDW.
Not really surprising. The 10 percent bypass has been a thing since you and I got hired. It changes based on base demographics and certain scenarios, but systemwide it’s always the same. Taking first available upgrade is a tricky proposition if you don’t have a quick path back or other responsibilities at home that you need to be there for.
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