For those of you developing a “suck it up” attitude towards those displaced, I realize you’re trying to protect seniority, but the fact remains we are the only airline I am aware of that can flat out displace you (remove what your own seniority has already awarded you) and then keep you out with a DRR while letting other senior bubbas come and go at will. DRR rarely gets employed with the way we wrote it and it fits right into the same category as fake news.

DRR was not written as well as it was intended, but most importantly as it’s already been stated, we need to make Displacements hurt bad for the company if we want to minimize them in the future.

 

can’t say I’ve ever had an overnight 3x on the same trip in another base and done turns that credited over 9 on days 2 and 3….in over 20 years of flying 121.

maybe it’s a thing here…I’ve just never seen it…especially for the majority of trips in a line bid out of a base where the majority of those displaced out of DEN were sent to. Maybe they’re trying to do us a solid…or they’re ****ing those off who want turn lines because we refused to make it a % of a base bid pack vs system bid.

LGA turns are day trips as long as I was based there just like CUN, SJD, PVR turns. Just like MCO-SJU turns are likely MCO based…I’ve never done it as a west coast based pilot. Never done PUJ overnights either…we don’t see them. Or AUA, or any other Caribbean turn. Never seen it on the DEN bid pack. You can call it “efficiency”…but how well do
you think it would go over in MCO. BWI, HOU, etc if the high credit turns typically specific to those bases suddenly got farmed out to another base? Can’t see how that is cheaper..if it were it would’ve been staffed by other bases long before April ‘26.

Not sure what CO did to Sutcliffe in a previous life but I wouldn’t **** on him if he were on fire. And that’s being nice.

 

That right there is the highlight. They displaced hundreds of people because it was the least expensive option that complied with our CBA. Lesson learned for the next CBA. Make displacements more expensive, and they'll be less likely to happen and to drag on the way they have.

 

bingo. This ain’t our problem to fix. It sucks, but being junior does.

that sound you hear is me you unapologetically yanking the ladder up behind me because I’ve finally got some seniority.

 

Some airlines utilize out of base crews because Table B is limiting. Early starts flown from one time zone to the right and late finishes flown from one time zone to the left.

If a LAS crew lands late in DEN they have higher utilization then letting a DEN crew land late, because they are acclimated to LAS when they consult Table B for duty day limits.

 

🤬ing Tranny. Nuff said.

 

We can analyze more efficient utilization a number of ways than what the company is currently doing (RE trips being staffed from the east coast is one example).

There’s no acclimating needed if you’re doing a day trip that starts around noon and finishes before midnight.

At the end of the day they’re gonna do whatever the heck they want with total disregard for our QOL and when it finally starts to cost them $$$$, they’ll change it. It’s our job (or the head shed at Swapa’s to throw data in their face ASAP to get changes made quickly).

 

MS is in so far over his head and that will become incredibly apparent when the monsoons start to roll through DEN. It was the least expensive option at the time. It's about to cost the company millions in DEN disruptions.

He doesn't grasp that RON is not the only metric to determine staffing. I wish the union would take a look at DEN hotel costs since the displacements. I keep seeing LAS/BNA/PHX crews overnighting in DEN.

 

They should look at the transportation as well. That far hotel that's 45 minutes each way must be costing a fortune in shuttle costs.

 

Just like the company is complying with the CBA IRT APL, etc to justify displacements…we also need to force them to comply IRT CBA compliant hotels for long overnights. Not our fault the DEN airport is in western KS and downtown is 30 mi away. If they want to save on hotel costs…don’t overnight other bases there.