June Vacancy
Today | 12:57 PM
#81
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It affected me too, and I was never based there. But a bunch of the displaced pushed me out my base, and then I couldn't get back in for months. If ROR awarded any displaced pilot before voluntary bids, I'd have been back in a month. But the language isn't written that way, and voluntary bidders were able to come in ahead of me, month after month, all because the ROR language is very weak. I think that's the issue most of us have a problem with. And with no positive-space commute language and very minimal hotel coverage for displaced pilots, the cost of displacements makes it the cheap, easy option. I hope we'll work to rectify that in the next CBA.
Today | 02:08 PM
#82
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True, but it's not everything. We have plenty of negotiated CBA items that aren't 100% seniority-based. The open time cap, out-of-base/on-vacation open time rules, open time priority, the new vacation bidding system, even the current ROR language (when there are positive vacancy numbers) -- all of those provisions supersede seniority to a degree.
I believe displacements are another area where domicile stability in our pilots' lives should be a higher priority than just seniority. Nobody displaced? Then seniority wins. Displaced pilots waiting to get back home? They should have priority on all awards -- not just positive vacancy numbers. Just like Open Time Priority puts junior guys ahead of senior bidders in MOT when they are put below guarantee due to overlap drops. It's all in what we negotiate.
I believe displacements are another area where domicile stability in our pilots' lives should be a higher priority than just seniority. Nobody displaced? Then seniority wins. Displaced pilots waiting to get back home? They should have priority on all awards -- not just positive vacancy numbers. Just like Open Time Priority puts junior guys ahead of senior bidders in MOT when they are put below guarantee due to overlap drops. It's all in what we negotiate.
Today | 02:10 PM
#83
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True, but it's not everything. We have plenty of negotiated CBA items that aren't 100% seniority-based. The open time cap, out-of-base/on-vacation open time rules, open time priority, the new vacation bidding system, even the current ROR language (when there are positive vacancy numbers) -- all of those provisions supersede seniority to a degree.
I believe displacements are another area where domicile stability in our pilots' lives should be a higher priority than just seniority. Nobody displaced? Then seniority wins. Displaced pilots waiting to get back home? They should have priority on all awards -- not just positive vacancy numbers. Just like Open Time Priority puts junior guys ahead of senior bidders in MOT when they are put below guarantee due to overlap drops. It's all in what we negotiate.
I believe displacements are another area where domicile stability in our pilots' lives should be a higher priority than just seniority. Nobody displaced? Then seniority wins. Displaced pilots waiting to get back home? They should have priority on all awards -- not just positive vacancy numbers. Just like Open Time Priority puts junior guys ahead of senior bidders in MOT when they are put below guarantee due to overlap drops. It's all in what we negotiate.
I disagree, but each of us gets a vote. 93% of us voted for the displacement and right of return language as written, which is an improvement over what it was.
Every time we react to something to fix perceived unfairness, we seem to pay the price in a loss of flexibility.
Today | 02:12 PM
#84
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Bid is out.
Junior CA:
AUS 135K
ATL 77K
BNA 132K
BWI 137K
DAL 124K
DEN 117K
HOU 137K
LAS E 106K
LAS 131K
LAX 136K
MCO 133K
MDW 135K
PHX 130K
Junior FO:
ATL 187K
AUS 198K
BNA 186K
BWI 201K
DAL 183K
DEN 179K
HOU 199K
LAS 187K
LAS E 185K
LAX 128K
MCO 200K
MDW 200K
OAK 187K
PHX 179K
I counted two displaced captains and 24 ROR.
Junior CA:
AUS 135K
ATL 77K
BNA 132K
BWI 137K
DAL 124K
DEN 117K
HOU 137K
LAS E 106K
LAS 131K
LAX 136K
MCO 133K
MDW 135K
PHX 130K
Junior FO:
ATL 187K
AUS 198K
BNA 186K
BWI 201K
DAL 183K
DEN 179K
HOU 199K
LAS 187K
LAS E 185K
LAX 128K
MCO 200K
MDW 200K
OAK 187K
PHX 179K
I counted two displaced captains and 24 ROR.
Today | 02:21 PM
#85
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Today | 02:31 PM
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Today | 02:35 PM
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