AT/SWA SLI Question
07-17-2011, 05:17 PM
#81
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Originally Posted by Smokey23
Well hey, if you're willing to exclude the top 900 SWA pilots, then you and I have nothing to disagree about. Now, if you can put your inferiority complex aside for a few moments and reread my post, you'd realize my intent was to educate 80ktsClamp about how his hypothetical scenario of STRAIGHT relative seniority would have a very detrimental effect on upgrades for current SWA pilots.
Correction: We're both about to have a great and growing airline (without even having to visit arbitration, from the sounds of it). As for the millionaire thingy, I'm not quite there yet, but thanks for the compliment.
Correction: We're both about to have a great and growing airline (without even having to visit arbitration, from the sounds of it). As for the millionaire thingy, I'm not quite there yet, but thanks for the compliment.
The DL/NW list was NOT a pure relative list. Most everyone moved one way or another from a few tenths of a percent all the way to 5% or so.
07-17-2011, 06:00 PM
#82
veut gagner à la loterie
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
LuvJockey's stunningly good looks and charm,
Can you say windfall?
07-17-2011, 08:50 PM
#84
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Originally Posted by Smokey23
We stand to gain nothing from this acquisition except entry into the ATL, and the only tangible benefit most of us will realize from that is maybe another percent or two in our annual profit sharing check.
07-17-2011, 09:07 PM
#85
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Anybody else see the irony here?
You guys have neither, and at this point, never will. The same goes for AA, UAL for that matter. God help us all.
07-17-2011, 09:30 PM
#86
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Originally Posted by paxhauler85
At first I found the DAL pilot's attitudes bothersome, but I then I began to understand why you guys are so bitter about the SWA/AT integration process. It's a REAL union, working with competent, labor friendly management.
You guys have neither, and at this point, never will. The same goes for AA, UAL for that matter. God help us all.
You guys have neither, and at this point, never will. The same goes for AA, UAL for that matter. God help us all.
07-17-2011, 11:08 PM
#87
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Actually Pax, I completely disagree. DAL management, along with pilots from two legacies, pulled off the near perfect merger in near record time. We blended two very different and distinct companies and cultures into the world's largest air carrier. Our SLI was not without concern or complaint but was arbitrated, installed, and less than two years later we're a completely merged team. I would think that DAL is the gold standard for mergers in the future. What SWA and AT are attempting to pull off is admirable but, in reality, pales in comparison to what DAL and NWA successfully completed. Truth is, SWA and AT still have much to accomplish in their merger. Truth is, we already have.
If they pull it off without arbitration, they will have pulled off the unthinkable...
I will be acutely interested in the details of the proposed SLI (with the TWA/AA ALPA issue in mind) as it comes out...
07-18-2011, 04:40 AM
#88
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How about all the airplane orders and growth that Air Tran had planned. That's a tangible benefit, isn't it? Yesterday 06:35 PM
actually its not tangible they don't have them yet. What of the orders that SW has that are _800's (more seats) and if you go down the path of a/c the a/t folks get over 500 to them so its a bad analogy. I cant go to the bank and ask for a loan and tell them my company MIGHT grow!!!
actually its not tangible they don't have them yet. What of the orders that SW has that are _800's (more seats) and if you go down the path of a/c the a/t folks get over 500 to them so its a bad analogy. I cant go to the bank and ask for a loan and tell them my company MIGHT grow!!!
07-18-2011, 07:35 AM
#89
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Smokey- when I mention relative, I do not mean pure relative. I can think of almost no situations where a pure relative agreement would be appropriate. I always mean a weighted relative. That means it would take into account aircraft types, retirements, inception date in the case of a far newer company, dead baby kittens, LuvJockey's stunningly good looks and charm, and even some accounting for a vastly different working contract. Obviously the weighting favor would and should go toward WN, but there should not be a pile of FL types attached to the bottom.
The DL/NW list was NOT a pure relative list. Most everyone moved one way or another from a few tenths of a percent all the way to 5% or so.
The DL/NW list was NOT a pure relative list. Most everyone moved one way or another from a few tenths of a percent all the way to 5% or so.
07-18-2011, 07:46 AM
#90
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Originally Posted by paxhauler85
At first I found the DAL pilot's attitudes bothersome, but I then I began to understand why you guys are so bitter about the SWA/AT integration process. It's a REAL union, working with competent, labor friendly management.
You guys have neither, and at this point, never will. The same goes for AA, UAL for that matter. God help us all.
You guys have neither, and at this point, never will. The same goes for AA, UAL for that matter. God help us all.
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