SL 10 Grievance
10-23-2014, 05:59 AM
#71
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Position: 717 Capt.
Posts: 248
Originally Posted by 4th Level
You are 180 degrees out on your understanding of the show of strength at the G.O.
Show of strength.
Not supporting mamgement.
We were NOT supporting management.
Show of strength.
Not supporting mamgement.
We were NOT supporting management.
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(CREDIT: Terry Maxon/Dallas Morning News)
Southwest Airlines pilots held a demonstration in support of chairman and CEO Gary Kelly and other Southwest managers on Tuesday afternoon.
But anyone expecting shouting, pickets and slogans – I wasn’t expecting them, by the way – would have been disappointed.
There was no such. Instead, it was simply a couple hundred Southwest pilots who showed up and stood around outside Southwest’s Dallas headquartersto support the airline’s management.
Support against what? you might ask. Well, last week, pilot leadership at AirTran Airways decided not to send a proposed agreement to its members, a deal that would spell out how AirTran’s pilots would be folded into the Southwest seniority list.
Southwest executives spoke out in praise of the agreement between airline, Southwest union and AirTran union when first announced in July, and said it showed how everybody could work together in the merger of Southwest and AirTran.
So, when the master executive council of the Air Line Pilots Association voted down the proposal, it was an unhappy development for Southwest.
The Southwest Airlines Pilots’ Association didn’t organize the event, but provided water and support after some of its members hurriedly put it together.
“The Southwest pilots are showing up here today in support of Southwest Airlines, Southwest Airlines leadership, our people, our culture and the success of our company,” said Dallas pilot Jacob North, communications chairman for SWAPA.
“It’s fair to say our pilots have always supported our company. In light of recent events in the acquisition, we just wanted our company to know that we do in fact support Southwest Airlines and its people going forward.”
Asked if it was intended negatively toward anyone, North said, “Absolutely not.”
Southwest executive vice president Mike Van de Ven came out briefly to chat with the pilots in the 104-degree heat, but made no speech. Southwest spokesman Paul Flaningan said the company appreciated the pilots’ support.
“At Southwest Airlines, we’ve always supported our employees’ right to express themselves. This is a show of support for the company, and we appreciate their efforts and appreciate their intentions,” Flaningan said.
As to any messages being sent, Flaningan said it was “a show of support for the company, for our leadership and what they’re trying to do.
“Integration processes aren’t always easy, but everyone’s working hard and wants the same outcome, and I think that’s what this is all about, just showing support to the leaders that they’re behind them and that we’re working together to achieve that one outcome that we all want.”
My understanding is that Kelly was meeting with SWAPA leadership while the pilots waited outside. (Kelly didn’t show up outside during the time I was outside with the pilots, although I started feeling the effects of the heat and left before the pilots dispersed.)
10-23-2014, 07:26 AM
#72
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 127
Frank and Whack - not that my opinion matters to you clowns. You two are part of the 5% crowd that everyone else has to spend 95% of their time with. SWA has the 5% as well as any other organization. It is life, it sucks, and you did not get a fair shake.
Sorry.
Move on.
I never have like this acquisition either, and I voted no for both SL 9 and 10. Nothing more I can do now, except vote in the correct union members to get me and my union brothers a better contract every time.
Other than that it is a paycheck twice a month. Make the best of what you have and enjoy the rollercoaster ride as best you can.
Sorry.
Move on.
I never have like this acquisition either, and I voted no for both SL 9 and 10. Nothing more I can do now, except vote in the correct union members to get me and my union brothers a better contract every time.
Other than that it is a paycheck twice a month. Make the best of what you have and enjoy the rollercoaster ride as best you can.
10-23-2014, 08:22 AM
#73
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
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You're crazy if you think we're the 5% of AT pilots that are this pizzed off about how much we got screwed. The percentage is A LOT higher, believe me. No, rather we're the 1/10th of a percent that let our feelings be known. Don't confuse the two.
For the 389th time, you're never going to convince any AT pilot that SWAPA didn't collude with SW management to orchestrate a plan to either shove a POS seniority list and "transfer" of Cptn seats down our throat, or threaten us with our jobs if that wasn't straightaway successful. Honesty, no matter how stupid you might think we are, it's still a significant insult to our intelligence whenever we hear that this whole f__k job did not involve the cooperation of your union and management. Honestly, save your breathe.
For the 389th time, you're never going to convince any AT pilot that SWAPA didn't collude with SW management to orchestrate a plan to either shove a POS seniority list and "transfer" of Cptn seats down our throat, or threaten us with our jobs if that wasn't straightaway successful. Honesty, no matter how stupid you might think we are, it's still a significant insult to our intelligence whenever we hear that this whole f__k job did not involve the cooperation of your union and management. Honestly, save your breathe.
10-23-2014, 10:49 AM
#74
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Position: 717 Capt.
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Originally Posted by OrionTanker
Sorry.
Move on.
To which I reply..."eat my $iht MFer"
Ya know, AT was in talks to purchase Midwest Airlines a few years back. Not a single AirTran pilot though they were owed something in that integration. MIdwest was in serious financial trouble (unlike Airtran) and still all anyone wanted was what was fair and equitable, arbitration if necessary. Nobody was looking to capitalize on the situation. You clowns have proven to be selfish and petty...willing to play in the gutter to get ahead.
Well, screw you, your company and your union.
10-23-2014, 10:52 AM
#75
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Posts: 127
Whack - your emotion is getting in the way of logical thinking. I could care less if you are the smartest man in the room (you probably think you are). The point is every transaction, every merger, every acquisition, every purchase, every take over someone or somebodies is/are not happy.
You can be ****ed off for the rest of your life, go for it. I can sleep at night knowing I have moved on and enjoyed flying with every Air Tran transition pilot so far to date.
Good luck with your future. Other fish to fry.
And oh by the way, I do not think SWA is done with the acquisitions. Not a matter of "if", but "when". Nature of the industry.
You can be ****ed off for the rest of your life, go for it. I can sleep at night knowing I have moved on and enjoyed flying with every Air Tran transition pilot so far to date.
Good luck with your future. Other fish to fry.
And oh by the way, I do not think SWA is done with the acquisitions. Not a matter of "if", but "when". Nature of the industry.
10-23-2014, 01:23 PM
#77
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Position: 717 Capt.
Posts: 248
Originally Posted by OrionTanker
Whack and Frank - Hope to get to fly with you two yutes before you upgrade.
Have a great weekend.
Have a great weekend.
The point is every transaction, every merger, every acquisition, every purchase, every take over someone or somebodies is/are not happy.
The point REALLY is that no other pilot group was ever forced to negotiate a seniority integration with the other side pointing a gun at their head. It's for THAT REASON we'll be forever anti-SWAPA and anti-company. You guys created this atmosphere, not us
"No Southwest pilot will be harmed!", "Plan B", threats and ultimatums while SWAPA dou€he bags march "in support of what management is trying to do"
I'm now supposed to be on board with this cult?
Get it now? Geez you guys are dense.
Last edited by Frank Rizzo; 10-23-2014 at 01:34 PM.
10-23-2014, 03:56 PM
#78
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Position: CA
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Originally Posted by Frank Rizzo
Ya know, AT was in talks to purchase Midwest Airlines a few years back. Not a single AirTran pilot though they were owed something in that integration. MIdwest was in serious financial trouble (unlike Airtran) and still all anyone wanted was what was fair and equitable, arbitration if necessary. Nobody was looking to capitalize on the situation. You clowns have proven to be selfish and petty...willing to play in the gutter to get ahead.
Well, screw you, your company and your union.
Well, screw you, your company and your union.
Last edited by shoelu; 10-23-2014 at 04:22 PM.
10-23-2014, 05:17 PM
#80
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Originally Posted by Frank Rizzo
Merely stating facts pal. Your retort is short on facts and long on assumptions.
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