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01-13-2018 | 08:01 PM

#141

atrdriver

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Originally Posted by lowandslow

You get an extra 5 for 24+ hr layover. Maybe turn that second period into a show the next evening for a redeye? Technically 3 days.

If the language is just extra credit for a 24h layover, my pairing wouldn't meet the criteria. It has a 23:50 layover. Hopefully the final language on that is tight, otherwise you'll indeed have 10 hour 3 days.

01-13-2018 | 08:01 PM

#142

Lincoln Osiris

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Originally Posted by Squeaky banana

Lmao... I'm not arguing. It wasn't a random phone call. It was the pilot conference calls. Get your info where you want, idgaf...

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I went back and read it again and your right it actually does say current rigs until pbs so you are right I am wrong my bad lol.

01-13-2018 | 08:02 PM

#143

Squeaky banana

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Originally Posted by atrdriver

The layover is 23:50. The AIP work rules exactly match what we have currently (5 hour DP average, 1:3.5 trip rig), and I copied and pasted a 3 day from our open time.

You won't get the extra duty period then... The new limit is 24 hour layover.

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01-13-2018 | 08:02 PM

#144

atrdriver

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Originally Posted by lowandslow

So that late show is day 2. TAFB proves that. Missed 1st time.

Day 3 base local time. Day 2 destination time. It is a transcon. My fault I didn't make it clear unless you compared clock times to block time.

01-13-2018 | 08:03 PM

#145

Squeaky banana

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Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris

I went back and read it again and your right it actually does say current rigs until pbs so you are right I am wrong my bad lol.

All good

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01-13-2018 | 08:03 PM

#146

Alphafloor

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It’s a turd💩

01-13-2018 | 08:07 PM

#147

Qotsaautopilot

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Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris

Right, but nowhere does it say that those rigs and min duty periods would be implemented until after full implementation of PBS...

Sixth bullet down from the pay numbers

Current rigs maintained until PBS. The cash value of the 5-hour minimum duty period average from DOS to PBS added to retro payment.

01-13-2018 | 08:11 PM

#148

Lincoln Osiris

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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot

Sixth bullet down from the pay numbers

Current rigs maintained until PBS. The cash value of the 5-hour minimum duty period average from DOS to PBS added to retro payment.

Yea I went back and reread it and saw that was my bad.

01-13-2018 | 08:17 PM

#149

Qotsaautopilot

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Originally Posted by atrdriver

Jetblue has tons of 10hr 3 days. They already have 1:3.5 and a 5hr min duty period average.

We currently have 1:4.2 and a 4.5 duty period average with an extra duty period credit for a 22hr scheduled layover. Do you know how many 21hr layovers I have now? Tons, just like I’ll have tons of 23hr layovers in this deal.

The 1:3.5 and 5hr duty period average is an improvement. We wanted calendar day and they said absolutely no way and the mediator agreed. The leaders have calendar day already and AA just got it in an LOA.

01-13-2018 | 08:19 PM

#150

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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot

Average daily credit is terrible. So many island trips that are 10 hour 3 days. If it was a min day. It would be a 15 hour 3 day with a 30 hour layover at the beach. It would probably go senior.